Brāhmaṅa Initiation Lecture

Prabhupāda: ...practically in every initiation ceremony, apavitraḥ pavitro vā, namaḥ [Garuḍa Purāṅa].

[Either pure or impure, or having passed through all conditions of material life, if one can remember the lotus-eyed Kṛṣṅa, he becomes externally and internally clean.]

Namaḥ means surrendering. Namāmi: "I surrender unto You. He Kṛṣṅa, I am surrendering to You." And apavitraḥ pavitro vā. Apavitraḥ means contaminated, and pavitra means liberated. In either stage, either in the material, contaminated stage or in transcendental, liberated stage, apavitraḥ pavitro vā sarvāvasthām, in any situation...

Yaḥ smaret puṅḍarīkākṣam. Sarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā. In any circumstances, if somebody remembers, smaret, remembers puṅḍarīkākṣam... Puṅḍarīka akṣam. Akṣam means eyes. One who is lotus-eyed, Kṛṣṅa or Viṣṅu, puṅḍarīkākṣam, anyone who remembers always or at any time Kṛṣṅa, yaḥ smaret puṅḍarīkākṣam, sa, that person...

Bahya. Bahya means externally, and abhyantaram means internally. Bahyābhyantaraṁ śuciḥ. Śuci means brāhmaṅa, or śuci means completely cleansed. The brāhmaṅa means completely clean. The brahminical qualification is first of all cleanliness. Satya śaucaṁ śamo dama titikṣa ārjavam,

jñānaṁ vijñānam āstikyaṁ brahma-karma svabhāva-jam [Bg 18.42].

[Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, honesty, wisdom, knowledge, and religiousness—these are the qualities by which the brāhmaṅas work.]

To become brāhmaṅa means satyam saucam. First thing is truthful, and next, śaucam, very cleansed, internally and externally. Externally we can cleanse ourself by soap and water. That is necessary. Daily we should take bath with soap and water and oil. Bahyābhyantaram. And abhyantaraṁ śuciḥ means evacuating and cleansing.

In yoga system there is a system they practice, they can get out all the intestines and cleanse it clearly. Dhauti. What do they know about this yoga system? They can take out the whole intestine and cleanse it nicely and again set it. So these are actually practicing yoga system. But who is going to do that? Simply a gymnastic process. So śaucam, cleanliness, is very necessary for advancing in spiritual life.

So brāhmaṅa qualification is truthfulness, cleanliness, satyaṁ śaucam. Sama, equilibrium of the mind, without any disturbance, without any anxiety. Satyaṁ śaucam śamo dama. Dama means controlling the senses. Śamo dama titikṣa. Titikṣa means tolerance. So many things in the material world will happen.

We have to practice to tolerate. Tāṁs titikṣasva bhārata. Kṛṣṅa says, "You have to learn tolerance. The sukha-duḥkha, happiness, distress, they will come like seasonal changes." Just like there is sometimes rain, there is sometimes snowfall, sometimes scorching heat. How you can fight? It is not possible. Try to tolerate. That's all.

Satyaṁ śaucaṁ śamo dama titikṣa ārjavam. Ārjavam means simplicity, no duplicity. Simplicity, ārjavam. Jñānaṁ vijñānam, knowledge and practical application in life. Jñānaṁ vijñānam āstikyam. Āstikyam means to believe firmly in the scriptures. Just like Bhagavad-gītā we are studying, or Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. We should firmly believe what Kṛṣṅa says, not interpretation.

This is called āstikyam. And nāstikyam means not firm belief—atheism. Just like Lord Buddha. Lord Buddha simply said that "I don't believe in the Vedas." Therefore he is immediately calculated as atheist, nāstikyam. Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, veda nā māniyā bauddha haila nāstika: "The followers of Buddha, they did not accept Vedic," I mean to say, "direction; therefore they are nāstika."

What is that Vedic direction? In the Dāsavatāra-stotra by Jayadeva Gosvāmī, he says, nindasi yajña-vidher ahaha śruti-jātam.

[O Keśava! O Lord of the universe! O Lord Hari who have assumed the form of Buddha! All glories to You! Your heart filled with compassion, you decry animal slaughter performed according to the scriptural rules of Vedic sacrifice.]

In the śruti, in the Vedas, there is prescription of sacrifice, and in some of the sacrifice there is recommendation for sacrifice of some animals, goats. So that is... But Lord Buddha says, "No. I want to introduce nonviolence, no animal killing. So even there is Veda, prescription, I don't accept Vedas." Therefore he became nāstika.

So Caitanya Mahāprabhu says that veda nā māniyā bauddha haila nāstika: "Because Lord Buddha did not accept the authority of the Veda, therefore he was considered nāstika, atheist." He was Indian. He was Hindu. His forefathers were kṣatriyas, Vedic.

He revolted. So therefore he was called nāstika. But a brāhmaṅa should not be nāstika; he should be āstik. Āstikyam: "He must believe in the scriptural injunction." These are brahminical qualification.

So you are going to be brāhmaṅa, qualified brāhmaṅa, this sacred thread ceremony; therefore you should follow all these principles—satyam, śaucam, cleanliness... Although in this age, not only in your country—you are completely out of Vedic culture—even in India, they are so-called; nobody follows. But still, they claim, "I am brāhmaṅa. We are brāhmaṅas." So this is para-pira[?], simply a social standard without any qualification, without any...

So you are going to take the responsibility of brahmanism. This system is introduced according to pāñcarātrikī system. Pāñcarātrikī system means formerly, in the Vedic system, without being born by a brāhmaṅa, nobody was given this sacred thread ceremony.

"Without being born by a brāhmaṅa" does not mean hereditary, but actually one who is brāhmaṅa. Just like you are now being created as brāhmaṅa. So if your son is born, he has the first claim to become a brāhmaṅa, because by the birth he gets the brahminical culture, sees the father and mother. Just like this boy. Automatically he is getting Vaiṣṅava culture, he is associating with the Vaiṣṅavas.

So the son of a brāhmaṅa has the chance. A practical example, this boy: from the very beginning becoming a Vaiṣṅava, more than a brāhmaṅa. More than. Vaiṣṅava position is above the brāhmaṅas. Brahmā jānātīti brāhmaṅaḥ. But Vaiṣṅava, he penetrates the brahma-jyoti.

Just like you penetrate... If you are able to penetrate the sunshine and go to the sun and seek out the sun-god, if somebody is able, by going to the sun planet by sputnik, he is better than who is in the sunshine.

Sunshine we can have by just little go up to the cloud. Say, about seven miles up, you get sunshine. But to go to the sun planet and enter into the..., that is very difficult job. That requires so many things.

[aside:] Sit down properly. Chant.

So Brahman, Brahman, nirviśeṣa-brahman, impersonal Brahman, when one understands, jñānaṁ vijñānam... Jñānaṁ vijñānam. And when one becomes Vaiṣṅava, brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti śabdyate [SB 1.2.11].

[Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramātmā or Bhagavān.]

When one understands what is impersonal Brahman, what is localized Paramātma and what is Bhagavān, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, kṛṣṅas tu bhagavān svayam... When you understand the Supreme, the original Personality of Godhead Kṛṣṅa... Ete cāṁśa-kalāḥ puṁsaḥ kṛṣṅas tu bhagavān svayam [SB 1.3.28].

[All of the above-mentioned incarnations are either plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Śrī Kṛṣṅa is the original Personality of Godhead. All of them appear on planets whenever there is a disturbance created by the atheists. The Lord incarnates to protect the theists.]

There are many incarnations. Rāmādi-murtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhan [Bs 5.39].

[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who manifested Himself personally as Kṛṣṅa and the different avatāras in the world in the forms of Rāma, Nṛsiṁha, Vāmana, etc., as His subjective portions.]

Rāma, Nṛsiṁha, Varāha... There are so many thousands and millions of incarnation. But Bhāgavata points out that "This name, 'Kṛṣṅa,' He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead." Kṛṣṅas tu bhagavān svayam. So when one understands kṛṣṅas tu bhagavān svayam, vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg 7.19].

[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]

That Vāsudeva is everything, then he becomes a Vaiṣṅava. So a Vaiṣṅava is already brāhmaṅa, but still, it is a function that one should not deride at Vaiṣṅava, that he is not brāhmaṅa. Therefore Vaiṣṅava-smṛti, Hari-bhakti-vilāsa, written by Sanātana Gosvāmī.

That is called Vaiṣṅava-smṛti, how to conduct Vaiṣṅava life. There it is clearly stated by Sanātana Gosvāmī that tathā dīkṣā-vidhānena dvijatvaṁ jāyate nṛṅām [Hari-bhakti-vilāsa 2.12]

[By chemical manipulation, bell metal is turned into gold when touched by mercury; similarly, when a person is properly initiated, he can acquire the qualities of a brāhmaṅa.]

"By the process of initiation, a man can attain the position of the twice-born." Twice-born means brāhmaṅa especially—brāhmaṅa, kṣatriyas, vaiśyas, three classes of twice-born. Several times I have explained: first born by father and mother, and second born, birth, is this.

So you should have responsibility. You should follow. But you can be steady, and you will be able to follow all these principles, provided you chant regularly Hare Kṛṣṅa. That sixteen rounds you must complete. Then māyā will not be able to deviate you.

That is... You must keep this. This kīrtana process, as we are performing morning, evening, this will keep your life steady, fixed up, firm. You will always be situated in brāhmaṅa's position if you strictly follow this. Otherwise māyā will immediately: "My dear boy, please come here. Why you are taking so much botheration?" You see?

Just like one boy wanted to be initiated from Montreal. His father and mother have sent me telegram. You have seen? "Oh, please save my boy. He is going to be brāhmaṅa. Oh, it will spoil my family." That means if he becomes brāhmaṅa, he may be reluctant to be karmī. This is going on. If one becomes debauch, the father-mother is not so disturbed. But if he becomes brāhmaṅa, "Oh, it is horrible. It is horrible. It is horrible." [laughter]

Just see the social condition. If a young man becomes debauch, "Ah, young man. Let him do. What is there? When he will grow, he will be taken... All right." But if a young man goes to a spiritual master to become brāhmaṅa, "Oh," the father-mother is... "Oh, it is horrible. My son is being killed." You see? Just see. I have got practical telegram from India. Just see the position of India. Just now today I have received one telegram, Hanla. "Oh, is horrible condition."

And Bhāgavata says that "One should not become a father, one should not become a mother, if he cannot prepare his child, a brāhmaṅa, a Vaiṣṅava, so that will protect him from the cycle of repeated birth and death." "No, we don't want [this] thing. We want our boy a karmī, a demon. Let him earn and send me money. I eat very nicely." This is going on.

So this propaganda against brāhmanism or Vaiṣṅavism is always. It is not new thing. Just like Hiraṅyakaśipu. His little child wanted to become a Vaiṣṅava, and the father, "Oh, you are going to be Vaiṣṅava? I shall kill you." A little child, five years old, just like this boy. He is taking care off. If mother says, "Oh, you are doing this? I shall kill you," most extraordinary. But there are instances.

So you should be careful. The only precaution is that you chant Hare Kṛṣṅa. Yaḥ smaret puṅḍarīkākṣam sa bahyābhyantaraṁ śuciḥ. Always. If you want to keep intact of transcendental position, chant Hare Kṛṣṅa sincerely. Then you will be kept. Nobody can harm you. Nobody can deviate. Māyā will fly away. You see? Daivī hy eṣā guṅamayī mama māyā duratyayā [Bg 7.14].

[This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it.]

Māyā is very strong. You cannot conquer māyā by so-called meditation or this or that. No. Simply by surrendering to Kṛṣṅa. Mām eva ye prapadyante. Kṛṣṅa. Only He. Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te. He can overcome the stringent laws of māyā.

So don't think that after finishing this ceremony you become all right. No. Māyā is always strong. Kṛṣṅa-nāma karo bhaya āra sab miche, palāivera path naya yo māche piche. The instruction is that you always chant Hare Kṛṣṅa. Āra sab miche.

Whatever except... Nāma vinā kichu nāhika āra, cauddha-bhuvana-majhe. "Within this fourteen world, if there is anything summum bonum substance, this is this Hare Kṛṣṅa. This is this Hare Kṛṣṅa." Mind that. Nāma vinā kichu nāhika āra, cauddha-bhuvana-majhe. So this is secondary, this ceremony. Real strength is chanting Hare Kṛṣṅa.

So of course, people may not think you otherwise, that you are not brāhmaṅa, you are not purified. Therefore this ceremony is there, the thread ceremony here, that "Yes, we are properly... According to scriptural rules and regulations, we have become brāhmaṅa.

There is no question of because I am not born in a brāhmaṅa family, it does not mean I am not brāhmaṅa. I am recognized by authorized ācārya in the line of disciplic succession of Nārada."

Nārada has given this definition in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam while instructing Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira about the four..., eight divisions, varṅa and āśrama. He said, yasya hi yal lakṣaṅaṁ syād varṅābhivyañjakam. Varṅa. Cātur-varṅyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam [Bg 4.13].

[According to the three modes of material nature and the work ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created by Me. And, although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the non-doer, being unchangeable.]

Four classes, brāhmaṅa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra—this is creation of God. It is not artificial; it is natural. God's creation is natural. So cātur-varṅyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṅa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ: "According to quality and work." So your quality is Vaiṣṅava, and working as Vaiṣṅava. Then you are more than a brāhmaṅa. But you should keep.

Similarly, Nārada also. We are initiating according to Nārada Pañcarātra. Because, as I told you, formerly only a person who is born by a brāhmaṅa... That means garbhādhāna ceremony. A child should be accepted that he is born of a brāhmaṅa. Everyone should know. That is called garbhādhāna ceremony, that when a man goes to his wife to beget child, there is a ceremony.

It is not a secret, hide-and-seek behavior. Everyone should know that "Now this man is going to beget child." So how that child should be very nice, that is called garbhādhāna ceremony. So if garbhādhāna ceremony is not performed according to scriptural direction, immediately he becomes a śūdra.

So in this age nobody is observing garbhādhāna ceremony; therefore it is to be understood that everyone is born a śūdra. Therefore pāñcarātriki-vidhi. Vedic system cannot be applied, because nobody is born of a brāhmaṅa. Who knows? Who knows how he is born? There is no ceremony. That is witness, that "Oh, he will go."

Just like marriage is a ceremony, there are so many witnesses, similarly, garbhādhāna ceremony, there is ceremony. It is no hide and seek. So because the garbhādhāna ceremony is not current at the present age, therefore everyone should be accepted as born śūdra, either in any place, either here or India or anywhere.

But the Pāñcarātrika system, it gives chance to a person, if he has got symptoms. Just like this boy has got the symptom to become a brāhmaṅa, to be Vaiṣṅava. Just like in the Jabala Upaniṣad. This, by symptoms, he was accepted brāhmaṅa, a small boy like this. Satyakaṁ Jabala. Satyakam.

He went to Gautama Muni: "My dear sir, will you initiate me?" Just like this boy can ask us. Oh, he was very kind: "Oh, yes. Very nice boy. What is your father's name?" "Oh, I do not know." "Oh, just ask your mother. Go." Mother says, "I do not know whose son you are." He came back. "What your mother says?" "Oh, Mother says she does not know who is my father." "Oh, you are brāhmaṅa. Oh, you are brāhmaṅa. Come on. I shall initiate you."

He was so truthful. That is real symptom of brāhmaṅ: satya, śama. He does not disclose that "I do not know." Everyone will try to hide if he does not know his father's name. But here is a boy, "Oh," he said, "Oh, you are brāhmaṅa. Come on. I shall initiate you." This is lakṣaṅa, symptom. "Such a truthful boy. Never mind what he is born, how he is born."

This system is not new. Therefore we shall have to accept by the symptom. If one is inclined to go to Kṛṣṅa—he is chanting, he is doing, following the principles—then, according to Nārada's version, yasya hi yal lakṣaṅaṁ syāt, here is the lakṣaṅa, symptom, varṅābhivyañjakam, to understand to what class he belongs. Now, he is truthful—he belongs to the brāhmaṅa class. He is truthful; therefore he belongs to the brāhmaṅa class.

Yasya hi yal lakṣaṅaṁ syāt varṅābhivyañjakam. Abhivyañjakam means just to find out what class of man he is. If he is truthful, he is brāhmaṅa. Lakṣaṅa. The lakṣaṅa is there; the symptom is there. Yasya hi yal lakṣaṅaṁ varṅābhivyañjakaṁ tat tenaiva vinirdiśet [SB 7.11.35].

[If one shows the symptoms of being a brāhmaṅa, kṣatriya, vaiśya or śūdra, as described above, even if he has appeared in a different class, he should be accepted according to those symptoms of classification.]

One should take him into that classification. He is truthful? Oh, he is immediately to the brahminical place. If he is a liar, immediately he is pañcama, less than śūdra. You see?

So these things were done. People have misused the whole thing: "Now I am born of a brāhmaṅa. By force I am brāhmaṅa." You see? Just like Paṅḍitajī, our late Prime Minister Paṅḍitajī. He was less than the caṅḍāla, but he was addressed as "Paṅḍitajī." "Paṅḍitajī" is the address of the brāhmaṅa. You see? By lakṣaṅam...

Nobody cared for lakṣaṅa, because his forefather, somebody, was a brāhmaṅa, although there was no garbhādhāna ceremony, no system, still. This is not accepted. People misunderstand Hindu culture, Vedic culture, that there are forced caste system. No. It is varṅābhivyañjakam, by the symptom, [indistinct], qualification. It is not by birth.

So we..., our... One of the item of this mission, Kṛṣṅa consciousness, is to establish real varṅāśrama by qualification. We have to pick up brāhmaṅas from everywhere, throughout the whole world, not that we have to pick up brāhmaṅas in India in some class. No.

There are brāhmaṅas every part of the world. We have to pick up. Just see. None of these boys are born in India or a brāhmaṅa family, but they have got the symptom. They have got the brahminical... They have either acquired willingly or by some way. So we have to pick up.

Anyone who is truthful, who is controlling the senses, no illicit sex life... That is controlling senses. There are many other things. This is the most important thing. Śamo dama titikṣa. They are tolerant. To these American boys, to take up another culture, which they are not accustomed from the birth, that is tolerance.

This is tolerance. But it is not painful, but it is tolerance. I am asking the American boys, "Don't smoke. Don't take intoxication." They are accustomed to this habit from the very childhood, but they are doing this. This is tolerance.

So these are brahminical qualification—tolerance, truthful. And śauca, śauca, this śauca. Anyone who is chanting Hare Kṛṣṅa, he is pure, bahyābhyantaram, inside and outside. So in this way, in this age, the chance should be given. Not that when the satyakam spoke the truth of his life... So he was accepted. So you are being accepted as qualified brāhmaṅa, but keep your qualification. Then your life will be sublime. Keep your life. Yes.

So this is a chance given by the Pāñcarātrika system. It doesn't matter how he is born. Nobody is responsible for his birth, but everyone is responsible for his work. So you work like a brāhmaṅa, like a Vaiṣṅava, and chant Hare Kṛṣṅa, and chant this Gāyatrī mantra, and your life will be sublime. So don't neglect it. You are being initiated according to the order of our predecessors, Caitanya Mahāprabhu, pṛthivīte āche yata nagarādi grāma [CB Antya-khaṅḍa 4.126].

[In every town and village of the world, the chanting of My name will be heard.]

We should have to preach this Kṛṣṅa consciousness movement in every village, in every town of this planet. Therefore you have come to your country. You are kindly cooperating. You also spread. I am old man. I may not live very long. Any moment I can be finished. But try. That is actually feeling. That is actually fellow feeling, that people are simply... Anādi bahirmukha kṛṣṅa bhuli gelā [Cc Madhya 20.117]

[Forgetting Kṛṣṅa, the living entity has been attracted by the external feature from time immemorial. Therefore the illusory energy [māyā] gives him all kinds of misery in his material existence.]

They have forgotten Kṛṣṅa from time immemorial. Athaeva kṛṣṅa veda purāṅa karila. Therefore this propaganda, this literature, Vedic literature, is there to remind them. Aham eva sarva-yajñānāṁ bhokta ca prabhur eva ca [Bg 9.24].

[I am the only enjoyer and the only object of sacrifice. Those who do not recognize My true transcendental nature fall down.]

Kṛṣṅa says, "I am the Lord of everything." So we have to capture Kṛṣṅa. So this is the... Namo apavitraḥ pavitro vā sarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā. This is explanation of this verse.

And now we begin our ceremony.

vande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurūn vaiṣṅavāṁś ca śrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṅa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa-jīvam sādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṅa-caitanya-devaṁ śrī-rādhā-kṛṣṅa-pādān saha-gaṅa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca

[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṅavas and unto the six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrī Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṅa, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṅī and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.]

nama om viṣṅu-pādāya kṛṣṅa-preṣṭhāya bhūtale śrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine.

[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṅa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]

nama om viṣṅu-pādāya kṛṣṅa-preṣṭhāya bhūtale śrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine.

[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṅa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]

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namo brahmaṅya-devāya go-brāhmaṅa-hitāya ca jagad-dhitāya kṛṣṅāya govindāya namaḥ namaḥ namaḥ

[I offer my respectful obeisances to the Supreme Absolute Truth, Krishna, who is the well-wisher of the cows and the brahmanas as well as the living entities in general. I offer my repeated obeisances to Govinda [Krishna], who is the pleasure reservoir for all the senses.]

Now put slowly, like this.

hare kṛṣṅa hare kṛṣṅa kṛṣṅa kṛṣṅa hare hare hare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare

[My dear Lord, and the spiritual energy of the Lord, kindly engage me in Your service. I am now embarrassed with this material service. Please engage me in Your service.]

Now bow down.

namo brahmaṅya-devāya go-brāhmaṅa-hitāya ca jagad-dhitāya kṛṣṅāya govindāya namo...

[I offer my respectful obeisances to the Supreme Absolute Truth, Krishna, who is the well-wisher of the cows and the brahmanas as well as the living entities in general. I offer my repeated obeisances to Govinda [Krishna], who is the pleasure reservoir for all the senses.]

Nama oṁ visnu-pādāya kṛṣṅa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale. Chant.

Śrīmate bhaktivedānta sarasvatī iti nāmine.

All right. Come on, Toṣaṅa Kṛṣṅa. You have no robe?

Toṣaṅa Kṛṣṅa: No.

Prabhupāda: All right. Come on. [end]