Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 1.10.5

Pradyumna: [leads chanting of verse, etc.] [Prabhupāda and devotees repeat]

nadyaḥ samudrā girayaḥ savanaspati-vīrudhaḥ phalanty oṣadhayaḥ sarvāḥ kāmam anvṛtu tasya vai [SB 1.10.5]

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nadyaḥ—rivers; samudrāḥ—oceans; girayaḥ—hills and mountains; savanaspati—vegetables; vīrudhaḥ—creepers; phalanti—active; oṣadhayaḥ—drugs; sarvāḥ—all; kāmam—necessities; anvṛtu—seasonal; tasya—for the king; vai—certainly.

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Translation: "The rivers, oceans, hills, mountains, forest, creepers and active drugs in every season paid their tax quota to the king in profusion."

Prabhupāda: Yesterday we discussed sarva-dughā mahī. Sarva-dughā mahī. Sarva-kāma-dughā mahī. This land, mahī, can give you everything. Actually it is giving. We cannot manufacture anything. The land is there. Bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ [Bg 7.4],

[Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false ego—altogether these eight comprise My separated material energies.]

these are the gifts of Kṛṣṅa. These are the ingredients. In this material world, whatever you see, they are preparation of these five gross ingredients. Nothing more. Bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ kham. Land, water, bhūmir āpaḥ anala, fire, vāyuḥ, air, and kham means the sky, ether. This is the ingredients of all material civilization, grossly. And subtle: mano buddhir ahaṅkāra [Bg 7.4], mind, intelligence and egotism. These are the eight gross and subtle elements. Now, by the mixture of these things, we find so many things.

Now, how the bhūmi, or the land, gives us sufficient supply? Therefore there is arrangement of the river, nadī, nadyaḥ. And the stock of water is there in the ocean. It is practical. Just like you keep some stock of water according to your measurement. This stock of water is the ocean, because we require so much water. In India it is said that "You are spending like water." India is tropical country. They use profusely water. There are many rivers also. They take bath in the river, especially Ganges River.

There are five very sacred river: the Ganges, Yamunā, Narmadā, Godāvarī, Kṛṣṅā. Big, big rivers there are. So tropical country, there is sufficient supply of water, and you use it for cleanliness. Natural antiseptic, water. Any septic, you simply wash with water, it will be antiseptic. Natural. In India even the poorest man who has no sufficient cloth, but he will daily wash the cloth twice. And it is tropical country; there is no difficulty. You wash, and within five minutes it is dry. So antiseptic. So arrangement is so nicely made. Pūrṅam adaḥ pūrṅam idam [Īśopaniṣad, Invocation]. Kṛṣṅa's arrangement is very nice.

So yesterday we discussed about the profuse supply of milk. That is required. Luxury... Actually, luxury means nature's supply. You can have profuse supply of milk, grains. For dressing you can have profuse supply of silk, cotton. And for eating, profuse supply of grains, fruits, flowers. And for this profuse supply these are the means. The first thing is nadyaḥ, rivers. The stock of water is the ocean, and by evaporation, cloud is formed. Just like you pump water to the topmost floor, so Kṛṣṅa's pumping process is this cloud. Pumping process. He is, I mean to say, evaporating water throughout the whole summer season. And they are on the head, on the sky, and then the water is distributed all over the land. Parjanyaḥ. Kāmaṁ vavarṣa parjanyaḥ [SB 1.10.4].

Because water is required. Just see how nice arrangement. And the water, whatever for the time being in the rainy season, is distributed, and for future supply it is stocked on the head of the hills and mountains. And from that hills and mountains the rivers—they are supposed to be water supply source—throughout the year will supply water. It is stocked on the head. The same principle. We simply imitate. We also keep a very big tank on the head of the house, and through pipe we get water supply. So here nature's pipe, water supply, is the big, big rivers, and the water is being supplied from the stock on the head. There are big, big lakes, and it is supplied. The same process.

So nadyaḥ, samudrāḥ and girayaḥ. Full cooperation. The stock is the samudrāḥ, and the... Just see that such huge stock of water is salty. Why it is salty? It will never decompose. It will never decompose. But you cannot take the salty water. Therefore it is distilled by the sunshine. Distilled. You take the distilled clear water. If you directly collect water from the rain, it is distilled water, without any contamination, without any dirty things. Clean, very nice. Those who have, I mean to say, traveled by ship, you'll see the ocean and sea is so clear water that up to twenty feet you can see clear water. Clear water. The ocean, the stock, the ocean water, it is very clear. So everything is nicely arranged. Simply they'll work nicely when you are obedient to God. Just like if you are a good citizen, the government cooperation is full with you. But if you are outlaw, if you are rascal, if you are criminal, no supply; you go to jail. That's all. Try to understand. This is the arrangement.

So whose properties are this, the rivers, mountains, oceans and the forest? Whose property it is? It is Kṛṣṅa's property. Bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaram [Bg 5.29].

[The sages, knowing Me as the ultimate purpose of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attain peace from the pangs of material miseries.]

Kṛṣṅa says, "I am the proprietor." Sarva-loka-maheśvaram. Not only this planet, but sarva-loka, all the planets, all the universes, He is the proprietor. And we are maybe that... Maintained. Actually, we are maintained. And the supply method is there. Nadī, the river is there, the mountain is there. Mountain, it does not stock water only, but from mountain you get so many minerals, huge quantity of minerals, jewels, gems. And from the samudra, or the ocean, and the seas you get large quantity of pearls and... What is called? Muktā? Pearls is muktā. Yes. And corals. Huge quantity. Simply because this material world...

[break] ...the supply is immediate. Just like in our Kṛṣṅa consciousness you can get one example. Just like in 7 Bury Place we were congested. So we were feeling. Kṛṣṅa immediately supplied you this, Bhaktivedanta Manor: "Take it." Huh? You cannot construct this house even in your own life. That is not possible. So we have to depend fully on Kṛṣṅa. That is called full surrender. Sarva-dharmān parityajya [Bg 18.66].

[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]

And serve Him. All supplies are there. There is no botheration. It will come automatically. It will come automatically. Because after all, the supplier is Kṛṣṅa. Eko bahūnāṁ yo vidadhāti kāmān [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13].

What is the difference between us and God, or Kṛṣṅa? He is also living entity. Just like we see Kṛṣṅa is playing on flute and He is enjoying the company of Rādhārāṅī. So you can do also. You can also create one Rādhārāṅī and get a flute and imitate Kṛṣṅa. But that does not mean you are Kṛṣṅa. If you play rascaldom, simply if you imitate Kṛṣṅa, and you think that you have become Kṛṣṅa, that is rascaldom. Because there is another business of Kṛṣṅa. What is that? Eko yo bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān. Kṛṣṅa can supply the necessities of life to every one of you. You cannot. You cannot provide even your wife. That is the difference. [coughs]

Those who are less intelligent, they cannot understand what is the difference. Kṛṣṅa... Kṛṣṅa can lift the Govardhana mountain on His finger. So you cannot do it. So how you can imitate Kṛṣṅa? The rascals, they say that "Kṛṣṅa enjoyed the company of the gopīs; so let us create some gopīs and enjoy. Then we become Kṛṣṅa." There are many rascals do that. They imitate rāsa-līlā. In Karachi, there was a rascal, he declared himself that "I am Viṣṅu. I am Lord Viṣṅu. So I'll play rāsa-līlā. Send your wives and daughters." So rascals, they sent their wives and daughters to dance with him. You see? And there was another rascal during Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura's time. Perhaps you know the story. So he was also imitating this rāsa-līlā.

These Māyāvādī rascals, they do that, imitate Kṛṣṅa. How you can imitate Kṛṣṅa? You are not Kṛṣṅa. But by imitating His rāsa-līlā they become Kṛṣṅa. No. If you imitate Kṛṣṅa of His rāsa-līlā, then you have to imitate to lifting the mountain. You have to kill demons like Kaṁsa. But you'll find the so-called artist, they will paint pictures of Kṛṣṅa only with gopīs dancing and with... Not other things, how He's killing Kaṁsa, how He's killing Aghāsura, Bakāsura, that they'll not paint. That side is completely blind. But in our Kṛṣṅa book you'll find both the pictures.

So here you have to understand that the river, the ocean, the mountains and the trees and the creepers, they will all serve you very, I mean to say, regularly, provided you are obedient to Kṛṣṅa. This is the process. Phalanty oṣadhayaḥ. Nowadays we do not know. As soon as we become sick we go to the doctor or to the drug shop. But in the forest, all the medicines are there. All the medicines are there. Simply you have to know which plant is the medicine for what kind of disease. Phalanty oṣadhayaḥ sarvāḥ, and kāmam anvṛtu tasya vai. And according to seasonal changes you'll get fruits, flowers and drugs and everything. During Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira's time all these things were being supplied by nature because Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira was Kṛṣṅa conscious, and he maintained his kingdom, all the citizens, Kṛṣṅa conscious. Even at the time of Mahārāja Parīkṣit, grandson of Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira.

So he condemned Kali. He was going to kill Kali because he was trying to kill a cow in the kingdom of Mahārāja Parīkṣit. So he surrendered, "Sir, I am also your subject. This is my business, to act sinfully. So you give me protection. Because you are king, you have to give protection to everyone." So, of course king has to give. So King Parīkṣit Mahārāja said that "You have to go out." But he said that "Where is your kingdom? Where is that place where there is no kingdom, where is no supremacy of your majesty? Where shall I go?" So he gave him these four places: illicit sex and intoxication and meat-eating and gambling. "Where these four things are going on, you go there." That is the place of Kali.

So the Kali had to face so many difficulties to find out such place, because there was no place where illicit sex was going on, there was no place where unnecessarily animals are killed, there was no place where wines and intoxication used. So Kali found it difficult where to go. At the present moment we say the Kali-yuga is strong because everywhere you'll find these four sinful activities. Everywhere. That has become part and parcel of modern civilization. But up to the time of Mahārāja Parīkṣit, these sinful activities, nobody could trace out where it is. Therefore every nature's resources were supplied.

Because after all, supply is being made by Kṛṣṅa through the agency of material nature. Material nature is not independent. Independent. Therefore we find... In your country there is no mango. Mango is supposed to be the king of all fruits. So in India there is sufficient supply. But in some year there is so much supply, enormous, and some year there is no supply. Similarly, grains also; in some year there is sufficient supply, and some year there is no... There is scarcity, famine. Then after all, you will have to depend on nature. You cannot produce in your factory these things which are received through these phalanty oṣadhayaḥ sarvāḥ. That depends on nature's gift. And the nature is working not independently. Nature is working by the order of Kṛṣṅa.

That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. The rascals, fools, they think that nature is working automatically. If nature is working automatically, why sometimes there is profuse supply and sometimes no supply? Why? What is the reason? Nature would work automatically in the same way. But why, in some year, in some season, the supply is profuse, and in some year there is no supply? There must be some control. And the controller is Kṛṣṅa. That is stated in the Bhagavad... Mayādhyakṣeṅa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram [Bg 9.10]:

[This material nature is working under My direction, O son of Kuntī, and it is producing all moving and unmoving beings. By its rule this manifestation is created and annihilated again and again.]

"The prakṛti, material nature, is working under My direction." So nature is working... [coughs]

[aside:] Again the [coughing] same trouble.

So do not think that nature is working, producing things, blindly. No. There is no such thing as blind. There is arrangement. Just like we see the aeroplane is flying in the sky. It is not that the aeroplane is automatically flying. No. There is a pilot. This is intelligence. Similarly, the whole material nature is working, and these are the venues of nature's work: rivers, ocean, and the mountains, and the vegetables or the plants and creepers, and trees, drugs. Everything will give you sufficient supply if you become Kṛṣṅa conscious, if you act according to Kṛṣṅa's direction.

Where you get the direction? Sādhu-śāstra-guru-vākya. You get Kṛṣṅa's direction from saintly persons, from authorized scriptures, Vedic literature—sādhu, śāstra—and guru. Guru means who knows how to follow previous saintly persons, who knows what is written there in the book of knowledge. He is guru. Sādhu-śāstra-guru. And śāstra means that the direction of Kṛṣṅa. That is called śāstra. Therefore Kṛṣṅa said, yaḥ śāstra-vidhim utsṛjya vartate kāma-kārataḥ, na sa siddhim avāpnoti [Bg 16.23].

[But he who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme destination.]

Therefore you cannot manufacture scripture. That is not possible. Therefore it is said, dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṅītam [SB 6.3.19].

[Real religious principles are enacted by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Although fully situated in the mode of goodness, even the great ṛṣis who occupy the topmost planets cannot ascertain the real religious principles, nor can the demigods or the leaders of Siddhaloka, to say nothing of the asuras, ordinary human beings, Vidyādharas and Cāraṅas.]

Śāstra, scripture, means the words and the laws given by God. So what is the law? How can I know? Bhagavad-gītā is there. Why don't you take it? Kṛṣṅa says, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru [Bg 18.65].

[Always think of Me and become My devotee. Worship Me and offer your homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. I promise you this because you are My very dear friend.]

This is the law. "You simply think of Me," man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ, "become My devotee," mad-yājī, "worship Me." Just like we are doing in the temple. We are worshiping Kṛṣṅa, we are chanting Hare Kṛṣṅa mantra, simply remembering Kṛṣṅa, man-manāḥ. And this Deity worship, temple worship, is done by the bhaktas. So one who is engaged in this service, he's a devotee. Man-manā bhava mad..., mad-yājī, worship. What is the business of the temple? Simply to worship. Bring flowers for Kṛṣṅa, bring nice foodstuff for Kṛṣṅa, cook for Kṛṣṅa, offer it to Kṛṣṅa. Then whatever remnants is there you eat, take kṛṣṅa-prasādam, glorify Kṛṣṅa. Śravaṅaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṅoḥ smaraṅaṁ pāda-sevanam [SB 7.5.23].

[Prahlāda Mahārāja said: Hearing and chanting about the transcendental holy name, form, qualities, paraphernalia and pastimes of Lord Viṣṅu, remembering them, serving the lotus feet of the Lord, offering the Lord respectful worship with sixteen types of paraphernalia, offering prayers to the Lord, becoming His servant, considering the Lord one's best friend, and surrendering everything unto Him (in other words, serving Him with the body, mind and words)—these nine processes are accepted as pure devotional service. One who has dedicated his life to the service of Kṛṣṅa through these nine methods should be understood to be the most learned person, for he has acquired complete knowledge.]

Śravaṅaṁ kīrtanam. This devotional service only for Kṛṣṅa. Not that you bring some rascal and make your Kṛṣṅa. No. Real Kṛṣṅa, not imitation Kṛṣṅa. Śravaṅaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṅoḥ smaraṅaṁ pāda-sevanam arcanam. This temple worship is called arcanam.

So if you take to these principles of devotional service, you gradually understand what is Kṛṣṅa, and Kṛṣṅa will provide everything. Yoga-kṣemaṁ vahāmy aham [Bg 9.22],

[But those who worship Me with devotion, meditating on My transcendental form-to them I carry what they lack and preserve what they have.]

Kṛṣṅa says. Teṣāṁ satataṁ yuktānām. If you are actually engaged in the service of Kṛṣṅa, all your necessities will be supplied by Kṛṣṅa. How it will be supplied? Kṛṣṅa says, ahaṁ vahāmi: "I personally carry all the necessities to the house of the devotee. I personally carry." There is a big history how He personally carries. But He hasn't got to do personally. Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8].

[The Supreme Lord has nothing to do. Nothing is equal to Him or greater than Him. He acts in different phases by manifesting His parts and parcels, which are all simultaneously differently situated by His unlimited, variegated potencies. Each potency acts quite naturally in sequences, providing Him full knowledge, power and pastimes.]

His energy is so, I mean to say, acute, that Kṛṣṅa, if He wants to supply you...

It does not appear that Kṛṣṅa has personally come, but you will understand that supply is so, I mean to say, surprisingly supplied that you will understand how Kṛṣṅa supplied. You'll be surprised. When you are in need of something... In London it was so happened. When we established the Bury Place Deity, on the three days before, the Deity which I ordered from India, it did not arrive. Three days before. And I was so much full of anxiety, that "Where to get it? We are arranging, we are issuing invitation card, and there is no Deity. Where is the installation?" Yes. But you'll be surprised to know that some Indian gentleman came just on the three days before: "Sir, we have got a Deity. You can take it." Jaya. So Mukunda and myself went, immediately brought the Deity. And nobody knew this afterwards, but we got surprisingly.

So Kṛṣṅa is so kind. If you are actually sincere to the service of Kṛṣṅa, then He has got agents everywhere. Sarvataḥ pāṅi-pādaṁ tat [Bg 13.14]. He has got hands and legs everywhere. Wherever He will order, the things will come. Simply we have to become sincere; then everything is there.

[aside:] Read the purport.

Pradyumna: "Since Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira was under the protection of the ajita, the infallible Lord, as above mentioned, the property of the Lord, namely the rivers, oceans, hills, forests, etc., were all pleased, and they used to supply their respective quota of taxation to the king."

Prabhupāda: Yes. So Kṛṣṅa's another name is Ajita. Ajita means "one who cannot be conquered." That is... His name is Ajita. Everyone can be conquered, everyone can be vanquished, but not Kṛṣṅa. Therefore His another name is Ajita. This Ajita, who is never conquered, He can be conquered by the devotee. That is Kṛṣṅa's nature. Another name of Kṛṣṅa is Ajita. Ajita means nobody can conquer.

That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mission. This is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.

jñāne prayāsam udapāsya namanta eva jīvanti san-mukharitāṁ bhavadīya-vārtām sthāne sthitāḥ śruti-gatāṁ tanu-vāṅ-manobhir ye prāyaśo 'jita jito 'py asi tais tri-lokyām [SB 10.14.3]

[Those who, even while remaining situated in their established social positions, throw away the process of speculative knowledge and with their body, words and mind offer all respects to descriptions of Your personality and activities, dedicating their lives to these narrations, which are vibrated by You personally and by Your pure devotees, certainly conquer Your Lordship, although You are otherwise unconquerable by anyone within the three worlds.]

This was quoted from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam by Rāmānanda Rāya about the process of approaching Kṛṣṅa. So he suggested so many things. Caitanya Mahāprabhu said, "Yes, but better process is there. If you know, just describe." So he described varṅāśrama-dharma, sannyāsa, jñāna-miśra-bhakti, karma-miśra-bhakti, in this way, everything Kṛṣṅa. Caitanya Mahāprabhu rejected. Eho bāhya āge kaha āra: "This is external. This is not very good. If you know something more better, you speak it." So when at last he said this verse, jñāne prayāsam udapāsya namanta eva... If one becomes submissive and do not endeavor to understand Kṛṣṅa by his so-called limited knowledge, jñāne prayāsam udapāsya, namanta, one has to become sub... The whole devotional department is submissiveness. Because under the influence of māyā, everyone is falsely proud: "Oḥ, I am so intelligent. I can do everything." This is the disease, material. Everyone is falsely proud.

So if you want to enter into the spiritual kingdom, as Lord Jesus Christ also said, "The kingdom of God is for the meek and the..." Huh?

Devotee: Meek and mild.

Prabhupāda: Meek and mild, yes. So that is the qualification. You have to become humble. Therefore the Bhāgavata also says the same thing. Jñāne prayāsam. Don't be very much proud of your so-called knowledge, that "I can understand everything." You should become namra, meek and mild. And then how to be...? Jñāne prayāsam udapāsya namanta eva san-mukharitāṁ bhavadīya-vārtām. You should engage yourself to receive spiritual knowledge from the authority, reliable source. Spiritual knowledge is understood through the ear. Therefore the Vedas are called śruti. San-mukharitāṁ bhavadīya-vārtām. This is recommended, that Kṛṣṅa's kathā should be heard from the realized source. San-mukharitām. Sat means devotee. Sat. Oṁ tat sat. San-mukharitāṁ bhavadīya-vārtām.

Then sthāne sthitāḥ, you can remain in your place. It doesn't matter whether you are a brāhmaṅa or a śūdra or American or Indian or... It doesn't matter. You keep yourself in your position. Simply go there, where these things are discussed authoritatively; you hear. Śruti-gatām. Śruti-gatām. Śruti means the ear. You just give the aural reception of the words of realized soul. San-mukharitāṁ bhavadīya-vārtāṁ sthāne sthitāḥ śruti-gatām. You can keep yourself... It doesn't require that you have to change your position. Simply you have to hear from the right source.

Then what will be the result? The result is by hearing, hearing, hearing, one day you'll be able to conquer over the unconquerable, Kṛṣṅa. Kṛṣṅa is unconquerable. Nobody can conquer Him. But you hear, you'll be able to conquer Him, simply by hearing about Him. Therefore this hearing process is so important from the right source.

[aside:] Read.

Pradyumna: "The secret to success is to take refuge under the protection of the Supreme Lord. Without His sanction nothing can be possible. To make economic development by our own endeavors on the strength of tools and machinery is not all."

Prabhupāda: Yes. Tools and machineries are already there. But why there is scarcity? Now there is no petrol, whole world. You have got the digging..., drilling machine, tools and machinery, everything. Then why you are in scarcity? Because now Kṛṣṅa is against you. Therefore in spite of the oil underground, in spite of tools and machine, you'll starve. This is nature's progress. You have created such a situation. Now, in spite of having everything...

Just like it is said by Vaiṣṅava kavi, nīre kari vās nā me gela piyās. Just like you are on the ocean and you are thirsty. You are in the ocean, profuse water, but you cannot touch a drop. Nīre kari vās nā me gela piyās. Thirsty, you want water, but you are in the water, in the ocean. Now drink it. Similarly, if Kṛṣṅa does not desire, you may have ample things, everything there, but still the key is in the hand of Kṛṣṅa. Unless He opens it, you cannot get it.

[aside:] Go on.

Pradyumna: "The ultimate... The sanction of the Supreme Lord must be there, otherwise..."

Prabhupāda: Yes. Now the sanction is not there; therefore there is scarcity. Nature can supply you anything, as we have already described. But if Kṛṣṅa says, "Don't supply," bās, finished.

[aside:] Then?

Pradyumna: "Otherwise, despite all instrumental arrangements, everything will be unsuccessful. The ultimate cause of success is the daiva, or the Supreme. Kings like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira..."

Prabhupāda: Daiva, daiva means godly. So you may have everything complete, but if the daiva sanction is not there... Just like one may have father and mother. Generally, it is supposed that a child under the protection of father and mother, he will be happy. But that is not the case. If Kṛṣṅa does not sanction, in spite of very rich parent, the child is suffering. Why? Because there is no sanction. Similarly, if one is diseased, he can engage first-class physician and he can use first-class medicine, still he dies. Why he dies? You have got so advanced medicine, advanced physician.

Why the man dies? Because Kṛṣṅa wanted. That's it. Similarly, we have created so many countereffects for all our miserable condition. That is called struggle for existence. But if there is no sanction from Kṛṣṅa, these counteraction will not be useful. You'll have to starve. You'll have to die. All these methods cannot help you. Mayādhyakṣeṅa. Therefore Kṛṣṅa says, mayādhyakṣeṅa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram [Bg 9.10].

[This material nature is working under My direction, O son of Kuntī, and it is producing all moving and unmoving beings. By its rule this manifestation is created and annihilated again and again.]

So everything, without Kṛṣṅa's sanction... They say, "Not a blade of grass moves without the sanction of God." This is the position.

[aside:] Go on.

Pradyumna: "Kings like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira knew perfectly well that the king is the agent of the Supreme Lord to look after the welfare of the mass of people."

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is king. King means he is representative of God. Therefore king is addressed as nara-devatā, the god amongst the human beings. Because as agent of God, Kṛṣṅa, his business is to see that the all the citizens, they are happy in their daily necessities of life and they are engaged in Kṛṣṅa consciousness. This is the duty of the government. Not that "You go to hell; give me tax." This is not government. Therefore, the king being pious, how nature was supplying everything, and the citizens were very happy—there was no scarcity—and how they were executing Kṛṣṅa consciousness. It is true, as people say, that if one is hungry, needy, how he can execute? Therefore it is the duty of the government to see that everyone is happy for the material necessities of life and is engaged in Kṛṣṅa consciousness.

So that is not being done. Everyone is trying to become happy without Kṛṣṅa consciousness. Just like in your country I heard in a... The Archbishop of Canterbury. There was some meeting. So he said that "You want kingdom of God without God. That is your philosophy." The modern, so-called politicians, they want to make everything very nicely going on. They have discovered this United Nation so that there may not be any war or any strike or any scarcity. They have medical department, W.H.O. Do you know the W.H.O.? W.H.O. department. W.H.O. means World Health Organization. W means World and H means Health and O means Organization, of the United Nation. So there is a W.H.O. organization, but there is no health. [laughter] The W.H.O. organization is there, worldwide, but there is no health. This is there. Because there is no Kṛṣṅa.

So this Archbishop of Canterbury said rightly that "You want kingdom of God without God." That is the disease. Everything we want. Therefore our propaganda is just the opposite. We want everything with center Kṛṣṅa. Therefore we will have never scarcity. Others will suffer.

[aside:] Go on.

Pradyumna: "Actually, the state belongs to the Supreme Lord. The rivers, the oceans, the forests, the hills, drugs, etc., are not creations of man. They are all creations of the Supreme Lord, and a living being is allowed to make use of the property of the Lord for the service of the Lord."

Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. You must use... Just like we are using this hall, this hall, very nice hall. What purpose? For satisfying Kṛṣṅa. We are dancing, we are chanting, we are eating nicely, you are understanding philosophy. What is the purpose? To satisfy Kṛṣṅa. Then you can use. The whole world you can use very nicely, provided you know how to satisfy Kṛṣṅa. But if you do not know, then this thing will be fire. You cannot... In spite of having nice house, nice arrangement, you'll think that you are in the fire.

[aside:] Go on.

Pradyumna: "Today's slogan is that 'Everything is for the people,' and therefore the government is for the people and by the people. But to produce a new species of humanity at the present moment on the basis of philosophy and religion, on the basis of justice and peace, on the basis of God consciousness and perfection of human life, the ideology of godly communism, the world has again to follow in the footsteps of kings like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira or Parīkṣit.

"There is enough of everything by the will of the Lord, and we can make proper use of things to live comfortably without any enmity between men or animal and man and nature. Everywhere, the control of the Lord is there, and if the Lord is pleased, every part of nature will be pleased. The river will flow profusely to fertilize the land; the oceans will supply sufficient quantity of minerals, pearls and jewels; the forest will supply sufficient wood, drugs and vegetables; and the seasonal changes will effectively help produce fruits and flowers in profuse quantity.

"The artificial way of living depending on factories and tools can render so-called happiness only to a limited number, at the cost of millions. Since the energy of the mass of people is engaged in factory production, the natural products are being hampered, and for this the mass is unhappy. Without being educated properly, the mass of people are following in the footsteps of the vested interest by exploiting natural reserve, and therefore there is acute competition between individual and individual and nation and nation. There is no control by the trained agent of the Lord. We must look into the defects of modern civilization by comparison here, and should follow in the footsteps of Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira to cleanse men and wipe out anachronisms."

Prabhupāda: That's all. Thank you.

Devotees: Jaya. All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda. [end]