Morning walk

Morning Walk

Satsvarūpa: We always say that you water..., the best way to water the tree is from the root, but he says that the way that nature actually waters is from the top.

Prabhupāda: So wherefrom the top water comes?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: By evaporation.

Satsvarūpa: The clouds.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: By evaporation of the ocean.

Prabhupāda: And who kept the ocean? You go on.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: By nature.

Prabhupāda: [laughs] Then you come to somebody. And that is foolishness. Then nature is not ultimate. Kṛṣṅa is the ultimate. Because you cannot see Kṛṣṅa, therefore you say "nature."

Svarūpa Dāmodara: "Nature is under My control," Kṛṣṅa says. Kṛṣṅa says, "Nature is under My control."

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: It is just like an equilibrium, Śrīla Prabhupāda. In science it is called equilibrium, means this on and off...

Prabhupāda: It is called cakra. What is that? In Bhagavad-gītā it is said, brahma-cakra, brahma-cakra. Sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma [Chāndogya Upaniṣad 3.14.1].

[Everything, both matter and spirit, is non-different from the Supreme Personality of Godhead who is the Supreme Brahman.]

That is realization, that in every action there is brahman. The beginning, by eating food grains, you become strong, the animals become strong. Then, when you become strong, you perform yajña, and from yajña there is cloud, and from cloud there is rain, and from rain there is food grains. This is the cakra.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Cycle.

Prabhupāda: Cycle, yes.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: That is the symptom of material nature.

Prabhupāda: Yes. So this yajña means to satisfy the Lord. Yajñārthe karma. So when you miss this yajña, then everything becomes disturbed. When you become godless, then whole thing will be disturbed. And practically also, if you pay income tax, then government arrangement is everything, nicely going on. And as soon as stop income tax, then whole thing... There is no finance, there is deficit, this, that, so many things. So yajña is yajñārthe karmaṅo 'nyatra. Everything should be done for the Yajña, for Viṣṅu. Then everything is in order. In Kali-yuga, other, costly yajñas are not possible. Therefore yajñaiḥ saṅkīrtana-prāyaiḥ. Saṅkīrtana. But these rascals will not take. If you say that "This simple yajña, you take it.

Chant Hare Kṛṣṅa mantra. All problems will be solved," they will not believe it. They will not take it. They are so misfortunate. Śāstra says, yajñaiḥ saṅkīrtana-prāyair yajanti hi su-medhasaḥ. Su-medhasaḥ, therefore, those who have got good brain, they take up this yajña process. Su-medhasaḥ. And another word is alpa-medhasaḥ, less brain substance. Tad bhavaty alpa-medhasām. Antavat tu phalaṁ teṣāṁ yad bhavaty alpa-medhasām [Bg 7.23].

[Men of small intelligence worship the demigods, and their fruits are limited and temporary. Those who worship the demigods go to the planets of the demigods, but My devotees ultimately reach My supreme planet.]

They are doing all other things, but not yajña. Therefore alpa-medhasām: their brain substance is small. And here is su-medhasaḥ. Yajñaiḥ saṅkīrtana-prāyair yajanti hi su-medhasaḥ [SB 11.5.32].

[In the Age of Kali, intelligent persons perform congregational chanting to worship the incarnation of Godhead who constantly sings the names of Kṛṣṅa. Although His complexion is not blackish, He is Kṛṣṅa Himself. He is accompanied by His associates, servants, weapons and confidential companions.]

That is the sign of merit: you do something which will produce good result. And if you, cats and dogs, if you simply jump over, what you will do result? That Lilavati Munshi of Bombay, she is the wife of a big man, K. Munshi. So she was asking, "Swāmījī, how you made like this?" Everyone is surprised, because nobody has done like this. I said that "Because I have taken the proper method, therefore it is done so nicely." The method must be right. It may be simple, but it must be right method.

Yaśomatīnandana: She is Gujarati, Lilavati Munshi?

Prabhupāda: Ah, yes.

Yaśomatīnandana: Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan.

Prabhupāda: Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan, yes. She invited me this time.

Yaśomatīnandana: She is writer, I think.

Prabhupāda: Yes. She is very educated. Now, her husband made very great attempt for publishing book, but there is no sufficient customer. Now the press is going to be sold, and nobody customer. That is letter-setting press. Now it is obsolete. So they were perplexed. She wanted that I shall purchase. And what shall I do with this press? Letter setting is now abolished. That is not good job now. There must be litho press or, what is called, offset.

Yaśomatīnandana: Offset.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Devotee: Śrīla Prabhupāda, if... Since Kṛṣṅa is the power that gives the demigods the ability to render everything, then why is it recommended in the Nectar of Devotion that a Vaiṣṅava should worship Gaṅapati?

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Devotee: Why is it recommended in the Nectar of Devotion that a Vaiṣṅava should worship Gaṅapati?

Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṅa worship, everyone. Just like we worship also ordinary man if it gives us facility to worship Kṛṣṅa. We go to somebody and worship him, flatter him, because he will give some money, and it will be engaged in Kṛṣṅa's service. The man is not worshipable, but he will help us to worship Kṛṣṅa. Thereby he will be helped and we will be also helped, and Kṛṣṅa will be satisfied. Kṛṣṅa will be satisfied that "My devotee has brought some money from this rascal. All right." That is it. [laughter] So Gaṅapati is also devotee. So Gaṅapati, it is not required, but sometimes we do. Just like gopīs, they worshiped Goddess Durgā, Kātyāyanī. They did not require, but the social system is that. But they asked that "Mother Kātyāyanī, give us the opportunity to have Kṛṣṅa as our husband." The aim is Kṛṣṅa. Generally, they go to worship Devī Durgā for asking material benefit. Dhanaṁ dehi rūpaṁ dehi yaśo dehi, these things which we want in material... But the gopīs, they do not go for any material things. For Kṛṣṅa. Similarly, we can go to any demigod. Why Gaṅapati? Everyone. But our prayer should be, "Please give us Kṛṣṅa." Then it is correct.

Gurukṛpā: When we were just traveling this last time and collecting, Śrīla Prabhupāda, every day we were offering some incense to Gaṅeśa, and this prayer in the Brahma-saṁhitā, yat-pāda-pallava...

Prabhupāda: Pallava-yugaṁ vinidhāya kumbha... [Bs 5.50]

[I adore the primeval Lord Govinda, whose lotus feet are always held by Gaṅeśa upon the pair of tumuli protruding from his elephant head in order to obtain power for his function of destroying all the obstacles on the path of progress of the three worlds.]

Gurukṛpā: We were saying this, saying, "Give us facility to collect nice lakṣmī to use to build the temple in Vṛndāvana."

Yaśodānandana: To build the temple for Kṛṣṅa and Balarāma in Vṛndāvana.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is good. Whatever possible facility is available from any person, we beg for it for Kṛṣṅa's service, not for our personal benefit. [break] ...they forget Kṛṣṅa. They forget Kṛṣṅa. When they go to worship some other demigod, they forget Kṛṣṅa, kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ [Bg 7.20], because they have got so strong material desires that they forget Kṛṣṅa. That is harmful. Alpavat tu phalaṁ teṣām. They get some benefit out of the demigod, but that will not stay. Alpavat, er, antavat. Antavat tu phalaṁ teṣām [Bg 7.23].

But if you take Kṛṣṅa, then it is not antavat; it will go on increasing. If you take to Kṛṣṅa consciousness, it will never end. It will increase. Ānandāmbudhi-vardhanam, increasing. The ocean does not increase, but Kṛṣṅa consciousness is such a great ocean that it increases only. Ānandāmbudhi-vardhanam [Cc Antya 20.12]. Hare Kṛṣṅa.

[Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṅa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṅa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.]

Candanācārya: Is it not better just to say, "Kṛṣṅa, whatever You decide. Whatever You give me, that I will accept." Like Kuntī.

Prabhupāda: Why shall I take from Kṛṣṅa? I should give.

Candanācārya: No, I mean instead of praying to demigods to give me something, saying, "Whatever You decide, Kṛṣṅa."

PPrabhupāda: Oh, yes. No. A devotee never prays to Kṛṣṅa. They have to undergo so much trouble; still they never pray to Kṛṣṅa...Jai. They know that "Kṛṣṅa will give us ultimately protection. Let us do our duty." Tat te 'nukampāṁ susamīkṣamāṅaḥ [SB 10.14.8]. When a devotee is in difficulty, he is not disturbed. He thinks, "It is Kṛṣṅa's wish that I should suffer like this. It is not suffering; it is my pleasure." Just like when a patient is undergoing surgical operation, there is pain, but he knows, "It is better for me." Therefore agrees, "Yes, sir. You go on with your knife." So when you are surrendered to Kṛṣṅa, and Kṛṣṅa says that "I shall give you protection," so even in our distressed condition we must know that we are being protected by Kṛṣṅa. We should not be disturbed. Because we create so-called distress and happiness. Actually, this world is distress. Here the so-called happiness is also distress. So why a devotee should be disturbed by distressed condition? Harer nāma harer nāma [Cc Ādi 17.21].

[In this Age of Kali there is no other means, no other means, no other means for self-realization than chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name of Lord Hari.]

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Candanācārya: One time you said that Kṛṣṅa consciousness is not difficult, but to remain determined, that is difficult. Determination is difficult. So how do we...?

Prabhupāda: That determination comes by tapasya. Therefore we have got rules and regulation. If you follow the rules and regulation, then you will be determined. Otherwise, you will be victim of māyā. The rules and regulation is there just to keep you fixed up in your determination. But if you don't follow, then you fall down. Just like physician says, "You don't take this along with medicine. You take this." That is rules and regulation. If you follow, then you do not become victim of disease again. If you don't follow, then you... What the physician will do?

Candanācārya: Did it also requires determination to follow the tapasya.

Prabhupāda: Then if he cannot, then he is cat and dog; he is not a human being. Why he should accept initiation? Let him remain a cat and dog. He promises to follow, and if he cannot follow, then he is nothing but cat and dog. In the court, they take promises that "In the name of God," "In the name of Bible." So that means he will speak the truth. Similarly, before the fire, before Deity, before guru, before devotees, he is promising something, and if he does not follow, then he is cat and dog. He cannot advance. That is not possible. That is the distinction between cat and dog and human being.

Candanācārya: Determination.

Prabhupāda: Cat and dog, they cannot promise. It is not possible. But a human being can promise. And if he keeps his promise, then he is human being. Otherwise cat and dog. Word of honor. The cats and dogs, they have no sense of honor. Either you kick him or pat, he does not know what is the difference. That is cat and dog. He does not know the distinction. A human being knows what is promise, what is word of honor. [break]

Yaśodānandana: ...you mentioned that the vaiśyas, they are considered to be the capitalists, and the śūdras, they are considered to be the Communist. And you mentioned that eventually the Communists will take over the capitalists. So how long do you think that will happen?

Prabhupāda: What's the use? Why shall I think like that? Let them go to hell, and let us go back to home, back to Godhead. Why shall I waste our time? We can advise them, "Do this. You will be happy." If they do not take, then we don't bother anymore. We are not social welfare worker or political worker. We are worker for Kṛṣṅa. [break] ...in this world that people are suffering for want of Kṛṣṅa consciousness. Let us try to make them Kṛṣṅa conscious. That is our only interest. Otherwise, we have no interest in this material world. Let them do their own duty and suffer or enjoy. Just like Kṛṣṅa says, samo 'haṁ sarva-bhūteṣu [Bg 9.29].

[I envy no one, nor am I partial to anyone. I am equal to all. But whoever renders service unto Me in devotion is a friend, is in Me, and I am also a friend to him.]

Samaḥ. Samatā. We are not social worker or political worker. We are Kṛṣṅa worker. So we give advice to them that "You become Kṛṣṅa conscious and all problems will be solved." That is our duty; and to advise him, to convince him, to give him all facilities. Still, he does not take, then we are not going to see how long he will suffer, how he will stop. Let them do their own business. Just like Kṛṣṅa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṅaṁ vraja [Bg 18.66]:

[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]

"Give up all nonsense engagement. Just become My devotee," we say like that. But if somebody does not give, give up, also not, then Kṛṣṅa also does not interfere. Let him suffer.

[break] ...how long one suffers. He can stop his suffering immediately, but if he does not take the medicine, then what can be done? Kṛṣṅa says, ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi [Bg 18.66]. If Kṛṣṅa withdraws all his sinful activities, then where is the question of suffering? But he will not do. Now, because he is not surrendered soul to Kṛṣṅa, so he is suffering from time immemorial, and nobody can say how long he will suffer. He will go on suffering. It cannot stop. Therefore Kṛṣṅa says mūḍha, rascal. Na māṁ prapadyante mūḍhāḥ [Bg 7.15].

[Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, lowest among mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the atheistic nature of demons, do not surrender unto Me.]

He does not know, by simply surrendering to Kṛṣṅa everything will be nice. That he does not know. And if you advise, he will not accept. Matir na kṛṣṅe parataḥ svato vā [SB 7.5.30].

[Prahlāda Mahārāja replied: Because of their uncontrolled senses, persons too addicted to materialistic life make progress toward hellish conditions and repeatedly chew that which has already been chewed. Their inclinations toward Kṛṣṅa are never aroused, either by the instructions of others, by their own efforts, or by a combination of both.]

That is explained by Prahlāda Mahārāja, that "These rascals who have got this idea that 'By adjustment, we shall be happy in this material world,' they will never understand what is Kṛṣṅa consciousness. They will never understand, because their aim is..." That picture we gave in Back to Godhead, anchor?

Yaśodānandana: Yes.

Prabhupāda: Their anchor is to remain here and enjoy. That is their main disease. They do not... Just like the Russian aeronaut has gone so high, he was seeing, "Where is Moscow?" The anchor is there in the Moscow. Therefore he has to come down. Āruhya kṛcchreṅa paraṁ padaṁ tataḥ patanty adho 'nādṛta-yuṣmad-aṅghrayaḥ [SB 10.2.32].

[[Someone may say that aside from devotees, who always seek shelter at the Lord's lotus feet, there are those who are not devotees but who have accepted different processes for attaining salvation. What happens to them? In answer to this question, Lord Brahmā and the other demigods said:] O lotus-eyed Lord, although nondevotees who accept severe austerities and penances to achieve the highest position may think themselves liberated, their intelligence is impure. They fall down from their position of imagined superiority because they have no regard for Your lotus feet.]

So everyone wants to keep this anchor of this material attachment. They say that "Yes, I am ready to accept Kṛṣṅa consciousness, provided Kṛṣṅa gives us so many material..." Just like in Germany, so many women went to pray in the Second World War, "Oh, my husband may come back, my father may come back." But nobody came back. And all of them became atheists. You see? They take Kṛṣṅa, or God, as their servant, not to become servant of Kṛṣṅa, that "I prayed so much, 'Kṛṣṅa, God, give us our daily bread,' and He did not give. Therefore give it up.".

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Śrīla Prabhupāda, what is the Vedic explanation of the working principle of the brain, how our brain is working?

Prabhupāda: Brain is working? Because you, living entity, soul, is there. Just like I am typing, and he is typing. I have got the latest mechanical, improved typist, and he has got old, bygone-age typist, similarly, according to our karma, capacity, Kṛṣṅa gives us facility. So brain is that facility. Kṛṣṅa gives us. Not that... So far the brain substance is concerned, a dog's brain and your Professor Einstein's brain is the same. Is the brain, same. But because Professor Einstein is advanced in knowledge, he is working differently. Otherwise, when Einstein, the soul is off from the body, and the dog is off from the body, you will see the brain equally the same. So this, your scientists, they do not know.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: They say that there are about nine billion cells. They are called neurons.

Prabhupāda: That's like. Just like I have given already. Why nine billion cells are there? Because you can work with it. I have given a electric-running-on typewriter because I know how to work it. Otherwise, this electric machine and the old electric machine, they are made of the same iron, but if I know how to work it, then I can utilize this machinery. But for a layman, it will be all the same. So that is karma. According to karma, we gets a body.

The body's machinery is also well equipped, as I can work. This is nature's gift. Not that "This brain is first class, that brain is first class, er, last class." All brain, last class. It is matter. The man who is working, the soul who is working, he is first class, second class, third class. It is said clearly, īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg 18.61]:

[The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.]

"Īśvara, Kṛṣṅa, is situated in everyone's heart." Bhrāmayan sarva-bhūtāni yantrārūḍhāni māyayā [Bg 18.61]: "He is offered a yantra, a machine, made by material energy." But that is under the direction of Kṛṣṅa. Kṛṣṅa's asked the material energy, "Give a good machine; he can work. Good or bad, as He wants, as He wants. That's all. Give him a...," yantrārūḍhāni māyayā. It is all bad. Either this electric machine or that manual machine, they are all matter. So anything material, that is bad. But he wants it; "All right, give it." That is going on. He wants this facility. And before this motorcars, people were walking on foot. All business was being done. But we wanted a machine like that, so Kṛṣṅa has given us brain to manufacture. That's all. But what you will benefit by this? Therefore Kṛṣṅa says, "All right, you give up all this nonsense proposal." But they will not do that. They will create another nonsense desire. That desire should be stopped. That is desireless. Because they will go on simply proposing some nonsense desire. That is their material existence. Now, they have discovered this, made this motor, nice... Now there is problem, no power...

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: Gasoline.

Prabhupāda: Gasoline. And if the gasoline is stopped, then your whole endeavor is gone. So this is their business. They are manufacturing something which will entangle him more and more. That he does not know.

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: Now they have reduced the output of big cars, because previously they were making big cars...

Prabhupāda: Just see. Now how the business will... Another problem. The factory... How will so many men...? So they will create problem. Therefore Kṛṣṅa says, "You give up all this nonsense desire."

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: The airlines have laid off so many thousands of people because there isn't enough gasoline to fly all the aeroplanes. So they are just laying off people. They are becoming unemployed now.

Prabhupāda: Yes, one after another, problem will come.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Coming to the brain again, the..., some people are working. Why some people are insane? For example, the mechanism of working the brain, some of the chemical pathways, they say, change, block. So some people become insane.

Prabhupāda: Insane?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. Insane means...

Prabhupāda: Then he cannot work. That's all. Even if I give you good machine... Just like I do not know how to work on it, so similarly, if one does not know how to work, then it is useless machine.

Karandhara: They are thinking that by a certain types of chemicals they can correct things like depression and unhappiness. They say it's all just a chemical situation in the brain.

Prabhupāda: But that, they propose so many nonsense things, but they cannot do anything.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: They are making experiments on rats now.

Prabhupāda: That's all right. They will go on experimenting life after life. That is their foolishness.

Yaśodānandana: Next life they may have to experiment in a dog's body.

Prabhupāda: Yes. And some of our politicians, he has become a dog. Yes. Nehru. He has become a dog, in Stockholm. Yes.

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: In Stockholm?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: I told that to my mother, and she would not believe it. You know, people think that if someone is a great politician or something, he can never become something like this.

Prabhupāda: Then why the politician dies? If he has got so good brain, let him live forever.

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: People have so much blind faith in people like Nehru and Gandhi.

Prabhupāda: Jawaharlal Nehru did not want to give up his prime ministership unless he was collapsed. So why he did not live, if he is so intelligent? And Kṛṣṅa says, if you have to believe Bhagavad-gītā, tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ [Bg 2.13]:

[As the embodied soul continually passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The self-realized soul is not bewildered by such a change.]

"He has to accept another body." So why you should disbelieve that he has accepted a dog's body? Because the acceptance of body is not your business.

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: Kṛṣṅa's.

Prabhupāda: Ah. It is the business of higher nature. Daiva-netreṅa. So if the daiva likes that "You must take this dog's body," how can you refuse it? You cannot refuse.

Devotee: Śrīla Prabhupāda, yesterday in the paper I saw a picture. Nixon had his sixty-first birthday, and he had a big cake made, and he offered the first bite, the first lick, to his dog.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is good. That is stated in the Bhagavad..., ārto 'rthārthī. He is in great distress. Now he is taking shelter of God. Ārto 'rthārthī. Then he is good, at least. Catur-vidhā bhajante māṁ sukṛtino 'rjuna [Bg 7.16].

[O best among the Bhāratas [Arjuna], four kinds of pious men render devotional service unto Me—the distressed, the desirer of wealth, the inquisitive, and he who is searching for knowledge of the Absolute.]

Ārtaḥ. Ārtaḥ means very much distressed. He is very much distressed than all the Americans.

Yaśodānandana: His dog. He offered his dog.

Gurukṛpā: He had a cake for his sixty-first birthday, and he gave the first bite to his dog, d-o-g.

Prabhupāda: Oh, not God?

Devotees: No, no. Dog. [everyone laughing]

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Dog has become his God, then.

Prabhupāda: Then why he should not become dog? Become yaṁ yaṁ vāpi... He has great love for dog, and it is said that yaṁ yaṁ vāpi smaran loke tyajata [Bg 8.6],

[Whatever state of being one remembers when he quits his body, that state he will attain without fail.]

at the time of death, he will think of dog and he will become dog. This is...

Yaśodānandana: One time I asked one Indian man, "Why is it that people beat the dogs in India?"

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Yaśodānandana: "Why do you beat the dogs so bad?" He says, "Because the English people were ruling for so long. Now they have taken birth as dogs. We beat them."

Gopāla Kṛṣṅa: In America, taking care of the dogs and cats is a very big business. It's a very big business.

Karandhara: They even have cemeteries.

Candanācārya: They buy ten-thousand-dollar necklace for their dog.

Prabhupāda: Just see how much attracted.

Candanācārya: Yes, when they die, they leave all their money to the dog.

Prabhupāda: So why they refuse to become a dog? Why they refuse to become a dog?

Karandhara: Some of them want to become.

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Karandhara: Some of them would like to become.

Umāpati: Some of them think dogs and cats are more intelligent than people.

Prabhupāda: Intelligent, there are... Ant is also intelligent than any human being. So they live within the hole of wall, and there is no scarcity. Can you become like that? You live within your apartment and there is no scarcity. Wherefrom he gets food? They are more intelligent than human being. Everyone has got some specific talent, either human being or cats and dogs or ant—everyone. Just like the vultures, they go four mile, five miles above, and they can find out where is a corpse, where is a dead body. But you cannot do that. You see? Immediately pounce on it. Hundreds of vulture will come. Did you not see it? So they are intelligent more than human being. Yes.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: That is called acintya.

Prabhupāda: heh?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: That is called acintya. Every living entity has some special quality.

Prabhupāda: Yes. [end]