Morning Walk

Prabhupāda: ...impersonalist or personalist. Impersonalist or personalist.

Mr. Sar: Yes.

Prabhupāda: Who is better?

Mr. Sar: Yes.

Prabhupāda: That is explained, that personalists are better posted than the impersonalists. Gatir duḥk..., avyaktā hi gatir duḥkhaṁ dehavadbhir avāpyate [Bg 12.5].

[For those whose minds are attached to the unmanifested, impersonal feature of the Supreme, advancement is very troublesome. To make progrese in that discipline is always difficult for those who are embodied.]

Mr. Sar: Yes.

Prabhupāda: They simply suffer, that's all. It is already explained. The impersonalists, they cannot concentrate their mind upon the Supreme, and simply hodgepodge. Therefore they suffer.

Mr. Sar: Yes.

Prabhupāda: Māyāvādīs, they suffer only. Teṣāṁ kleśala eva śiṣyate [SB 10.14.4]. In Bhāgavata it is explained, "Their gain is only suffering." That's all.

Mr. Sar: That's why they...

Prabhupāda: Huh? Bhaktim udasya te vibho kliśyanti ye kevala-bodha-labdhaye [SB 10.14.4]. Kevala-bodha-labdhaye.

Mr. Sar: Ah, kevala-bodha.

Prabhupāda: Simply trying to know, know, know.

Mr. Sar: Know.

Prabhupāda: You see? So, teṣāṁ kleśala eva śiṣyate: "Their gain is simply their trying for, that labor." Nānyad yathā sthūla-tuṣāvaghātinām: "It is exactly like one is beating the husk."

Mr. Sar: Yes, and not getting that thing.

Prabhupāda: There is no rice...

Mr. Sar: No rice even.

Prabhupāda: Simply "gad-gad-gad-gad-gad-gad."

Mr. Sar: "Gad-gad-gad-gad-gad-gad-gad."

Prabhupāda: That's all. Teṣāṁ kleśala eva śiṣyate nānyad yathā sthūla-tuṣāvaghātinām. So these impersonalists, they are trying to approach the Absolute Truth, but the method is not very good.

Mr. Sar: [mumbles verse] ...avyaktam.

Prabhupāda: Hmm. No, Kṛṣṅa says...

Mr. Sar: ...teṣāṁ paryupa...

Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṅa says that bhaktyā mām abhijānāti [Bg 18.55].

[One can understand the Supreme Personality as He is only by devotional service. And when one is in full consciousness of the Supreme Lord by such devotion, he can enter into the kingdom of God.]

Mr. Sar: Ah. Yāvān yaś cāsmi...

Prabhupāda: He never says that "By mental speculation, one can understand." He never says.

Mr. Sar: He's beyond the reach of the mind.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Manuṣyāṅāṁ sahasreṣu... [Hindi]

manuṣyāṅāṁ sahasreṣu kaścid yatati siddhaye yatatām api siddhānāṁ kaścin vetti māṁ tattvataḥ [Bg 7.3]

[Out of many thousands among men, one may endeavor for perfection, and of those who have achieved perfection, hardly one knows Me in truth.]

So to know God, it is not very easy job. And the Vedas also, it is stated, nāyam ātmā pravacanena labhyo na medhayā na bahunā śrutena [Muṅḍaka Upaniṣad 3.2.3].

[The Supreme Lord is not attained by expert explanations, by vast intelligence, nor even by much hearing. He is attained only by one who He Himself chooses. To such a person He manifests His own form.]

So this process is not good.

Mr. Sar: Yam evaiṣa vṛṅute tam eva vivṛṅute tanūṁ svām.

Prabhupāda: Hmm. Yes. Tanu. Tanu means form. Tanu means form.

Mr. Sar: That is, He shows His grace, isn't it? That means, isn't it, whom He selects, whom the Lord selects?

Prabhupāda: Yes. And in the Bhagavad-gītā also, the Lord says that "This My form is not understood by common men."

Mr. Sar: Divyaṁ dadāmi te cakṣuḥ [Bg 11.8].

Dr. Patel: Mama māyā duratyayā, mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te [Bg 7.14].

[This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it.]

Prabhupāda: But actually, brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti śabdyate [SB 1.2.11].

[Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramātmā or Bhagavān.]

So gradual process, go to the Absolute Truth—Brahman, Paramātmā, and last is Bhagavān. The Bhagavān realization is the real realization, not Brahman, not... This is partial. [looking at something on beach] It is already dead.

Dr. Patel: No, it may be even living.

Prabhupāda: Why even it is dead while it is ferocious?

Mr. Sar: Rajju-sarpa-nyāya, huh? That is bhrānti-māyā.

Prabhupāda: No, no. There are certain things which are simply by form is dangerous. [greets passersby:] Hare Kṛṣṅa, Hare Kṛṣṅa.

Dr. Patel: Here is another.

Prabhupāda: This is water snake? [Indian men comment on snake] They have no poison.

Dr. Patel: Evaṁ satata-yuktā ye bhaktās tvāṁ paryupāsate, ye cāpy akṣaram avyaktam... [Bg 12.1] [break]

Prabhupāda: Mayy āsakta-manāḥ pārtha yogaṁ yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ [Bg 7.1]. This is the stress. Mayy āsakta: "Here I am present. Why you should contemplate on imperson?" But the foolish people will not understand this. Mūḍha. Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante [Bg 7.15].

[Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, lowest among mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the atheistic nature of demons, do not surrender unto Me.]

He is canvassing, "Here I am," but they will not surrender. They are searching out God somewhere else. "Here I am." "No, no, no. You are not." Mūḍha.

Mr. Sar: Mūḍhas, yes.

Dr. Patel: Ye tu akṣaram anirdeśyam...

Mr. Sar: ...avyaktaṁ paryupāsate [Bg 12.3]. [laughing]

Prabhupāda: Mūḍha, sab mūḍha.

Dr. Patel: They are all mūḍhas. Let us complete it now. Kūṭastham acalaṁ dhruvam. [break]

Prabhupāda: But where is sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ [Bg 5.25]?

[One who is beyond duality and doubt, whose mind is engaged within, who is always busy working for the welfare of all sentient beings, and who is free from all sins, achieves liberation in the Supreme.]

He is engaged in "family hite ratāḥ."

Dr. Patel: If he is sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ...

Prabhupāda: Then that is another thing. That is another thing. But one who is "family hite ratāḥ," "country hite ratāḥ," "community hite ratāḥ," how he can do?

Dr. Patel: So in this Bhagavān has said, sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ.

Prabhupāda: But sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ. Now, these people, they are hite ratāḥ of limited circle, that's all.

Mr. Sar: Oh. That is why their... This path is not good for mankind.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore, according to Vedic civilization, one must accept sannyāsa at a certain stage.

Mr. Sar:

kleśo 'dhikataras teṣām avyaktāsakta-cetasām avyaktā hi gatir duḥkhaṁ dehavadbhir avāpyate [Bg 12.5]

[For those whose minds are attached to the unmanifested, impersonal feature of the Supreme, advancement is very troublesome. To make progrese in that discipline is always difficult for those who are embodied.]

Dr. Patel: Ye tu sarvāṅi karmāṅi mayi sannyāsya mat-parāḥ [Bg 12.6]. Now, you have all your...

Prabhupāda: Sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ [Bg 5.25], that, it is very difficult. Because even Mahatma Gandhi, such a great person, he said, "Englishman, you go away." Just see. Who can be better than Mahatma Gandhi?

Dr. Patel: And he must have life like Bharata.

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Dr. Patel: Jaḍa Bharata.

Prabhupāda: Is there possibility? He was so sacrificeful, but still, he was not sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ [Bg 5.25]. Whole struggle was "Englishman, you get out."

Dr. Patel: Sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ will be like Jaḍa Bharata.

Prabhupāda: No, no. Sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ means who is devotee of Kṛṣṅa. He is sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ.

Dr. Patel: Because Kṛṣṅa's representative.

Prabhupāda: He is the root. Aham ādir hi devānām [Bg 10.2]. Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavaḥ [Bg 10.8].

[I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.]

The root, if you water the root, then sarva-bhūta hite ratāḥ, the water will go to the branches, to the twigs, to the leaves, to the flowers. He is sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ [Bg 5.25]. They do not know the way how to become sarva-bhūta-hite. And because... Just see the example. I am not becoming proud, but because I have got little taste for it, therefore I am preaching all over the world. I don't say I am perfect. I have got little taste of kṛṣṅa-bhakti. So I have no distinction that "This is Indian. This is American. This is African." Everyone, I am giving this hari-nāma. This is sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ, no distinction. We are trying to give protection to the cows, to the animals, to the trees. This is sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ. Unless one is... Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad... [SB 5.18.12]

[All the demigods and their exalted qualities, such as religion, knowledge and renunciation, become manifest in the body of one who has developed unalloyed devotion for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Vāsudeva. On the other hand, a person devoid of devotional service and engaged in material activities has no good qualities. Even if he is adept at the practice of mystic yoga or the honest endeavor of maintaining his family and relatives, he must be driven by his own mental speculations and must engage in the service of the Lord's external energy. How can there be any good qualities in such a man?]

If one is not devoted to Kṛṣṅa, he cannot become sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ. Kleśo 'dhikataras teṣām [Bg 12.5]. Simply they will suffer, that's all.

Mr. Sar: Kleśo 'dhikataras teṣām avyaktāsakta-cetasām avyakta...

Prabhupāda: Avyakta. This avyakta... They do not find where is the point where sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ. Just like one who knows the electric button, he push. He does not know that. Mūḍha.

Dr. Patel: You have to work the main switch to electrify the...

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ. You must know how to do it.

Dr. Patel and Mr. Sar:

ye tu sarvāṅi karmāṅi mayi sannyasya mat-parāḥ ananyenaiva yogena māṁ dhyāyanta upāsate [Bg 12.6]

teṣām ahaṁ samuddhartā mṛtyu-saṁsāra-sāgarāt bhavāmi na cirāt pārtha mayy āveśita-cetasām [Bg 12.7]

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Prabhupāda: ...early in the morning have maṅgala-ārātrika, then prasāda. Now, walk, also talking. We are not wasting time. We are not wasting time. Even if you say, "Why you are walking?" then we are not walking for nothing. We are talking. Satataṁ kīrtayanto māṁ yatantaś ca dṛḍha-vratāḥ [Bg 9.14].

[Always chanting My glories, endeavoring with great determination, bowing down before Me, these great souls perpetually worship Me with devotion.]

Satataṁ kīrtayantaḥ. So walking, talking.

Dr. Patel: Mat-karmabhiḥ karmāṅi siddhim... [break]

Prabhupāda: Sarva-karma-tyāga [Cc Madhya 22.60]. Where is Girirāja? These boys collecting not less than thirty thousand per month, but not a single farthing for him. This is sarva-karma-phala. Is there any man, businessman?

Mr. Sar: Yes, yes. He stays in utter poverty.

Dr. Patel: Sarva-karma-phala-tyāgam eva [Cc Madhya 22.60].

Prabhupāda: He does not care for his body even.

Mr. Sar: Yes, he does not care.

Prabhupāda: I forced him to go to USA and get...

Dr. Patel: I invited him to stay in my house, but he said that he won't come.

Prabhupāda: No, no, he is not interested for his person.

Dr. Patel: We have invite him. When he is ill, he may stay with me. We may have a little sat-saṅga.

Prabhupāda: But he is sarva-bhūta-hite ratāḥ. Why he should be concentrated one?

Mr. Sar: Adveṣṭā sarva-bhūtānām [Bg 12.13].

Prabhupāda: Ah, adveṣṭā. It is not, "I am Hindu. Why shall I preach amongst the Christian?" The dveṣṭā.

Dr. Patel: Adveṣṭā sarva-bhūtānām.

Prabhupāda: But one has to become adveṣṭā. This is dveṣṭā.

Dr. Patel: Maitraḥ karuṅa eva ca, nirmamo nirahaṅkāraḥ sama-duḥkha-sukhaḥ kṣamī [Bg 12.13].

Prabhupāda: Now, some of these Māyāvādī sannyāsīs accuse me that "Bhaktivedanta Swami is spoiling our Hindu religion." Dveṣṭā. They do not like Christians, do not like Muhammadans. But I am accepting Muhammadans, Christian, any damn rascal: "Come on. Chant Hare Kṛṣṅa."

Mr. Sar: And be a brāhmaṅa.

Prabhupāda: This is adveṣṭā. [break] ...envious of Christian.

Dr. Patel: Nirmamo nirahaṅkāraḥ sama-duḥkha-sukhaḥ... [Bg 12.13]

Prabhupāda: Why you should be?

Dr. Patel: ...santuṣṭaḥ satataṁ yogī yatātmā dṛḍha-niścayaḥ, mayy-arpita-mano-buddhir [Bg 8.7].

[Therefore, Arjuna, you should always think of Me in the form of Kṛṣṅa and at the same time carry out your prescribed duty of fighting. With your activities dedicated to Me and your mind and intelligence fixed on Me, you will attain Me without doubt.]

Prabhupāda: Yes. [laughs]

Mr. Sar: Ye... [Hindi]

Prabhupāda: We cannot change. Therefore yesterday I said, "Why shall I go to...?"

Dr. Patel and Mr. Sar: Yasmān nodvijate loko lokān nodvijate ca yaḥ, harṣāmarṣa-bhayodvegair [Bg 12.15].

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: You are firing us. [laughs]

Prabhupāda: For your good. For your good. Even if I fire you, for your good.

Dr. Patel: [laughing] I was ready to come to this point. That is why I asked them to arrange for this meeting. [break]

Prabhupāda: ...father fires son, it is not envious. Adveṣṭā, he... That is adveṣṭā.

Dr. Patel: Anapekṣaḥ śucir dakṣa [Bg 12.16].

Prabhupāda: Anapekṣaḥ, just see. When I went to Europe, America, I went with forty rupees. The Sumati Morarji gave me a ticket, and I had only forty rupees. That forty rupees could not be spent there. Then, when I was getting down, I asked the captain, "Captain Pandia," that "I have not a single dollar with me. So you purchase one set of my books." "So what is... Swami, what is your price?" "Sixteen dollar." He paid me twenty dollars. With that twenty dollars, I dropped.

Mr. Sar: This is anapekṣaḥ.

Dr. Patel: Anapekṣaḥ śucir dakṣa.

Prabhupāda: Now I think we have got money.

Dr. Patel: Two million dollars.

Prabhupāda: [laughs] So that is not a problem. That is not a problem because I knew that Kṛṣṅa is there.

Dr. Patel:

anapekṣaḥ śucir dakṣa udāsīno gata-vyathaḥ sarvārambha-parityāgī yo mad-bhaktaḥ sa me priyaḥ [Bg 12.16]

Yo na... [break]

Prabhupāda: In the beginning...[break]

Dr. Patel: ...na kāṅkṣati na..., na kāṅkṣati na śocati, śubhāśubha-parityāgī yo mad-bhaktaḥ sa me priyaḥ [Bg 12.17].

Prabhupāda: Yes, śubhāśubha. When I was in Boston, I was thinking that "I have come here. How they will receive me? As soon as I'll say that 'No meat-eating, no illicit sex, and no gambling and no intoxication,' immediately they will say, 'Please go home. Don't preach here.' All right." So for one year there was no success, you see? And I was going to the shipping company: "When your next ship is coming to return back?" So the manager was telling, "Swāmījī, you are always inquiring, but you never go." [all laugh] I said, "Yes, when I am too much frustrated, I come to here to ask you. Then again I go back: 'Let me see two months more.' " It was going like that. Nobody was there with me.

Dr. Patel:

tulya-nindā-stutir maunī santuṣṭo yena kenacit aniketaḥ sthira-matir bhaktimān me priyo naraḥ [Bg 12.19]

Prabhupāda: [laughing] Aniketaḥ. Automatically aniketaḥ. There was no place, no place to live. No money.

Dr. Patel: This is the culmination of a sannyāsī.

Mr. Sar: One who has no place, he lives everywhere.

Prabhupāda: Sannyāsa means aniketaḥ. Now we have got hundred temples. We have got hundred temples. But Kṛṣṅa does not allow me to stay eight days, more than.

Dr. Patel: But how long you going to stay here? You have promised me to stay long, eh?

Prabhupāda: But if Kṛṣṅa allows...

Dr. Patel: I will always pray to Kṛṣṅa.

Prabhupāda: I am dependent on Kṛṣṅa. If He allows. [aside:] Hare Kṛṣṅa.

Dr. Patel: Because we can't come to America to keep your company.

Prabhupāda: Now, here is a Pacific Ocean. [break] Sometimes I think, "When I was simply depending on Kṛṣṅa, those days... Now I have to depend on so many disciples." [laughter]

Dr. Patel: Through Kṛṣṅa the disciples are the sannyāsīs.

Prabhupāda: [laughing] They are good disciples. They are bringing everything; I am simply ordering. Still, I think, "That was better, to depend on..."

Dr. Patel: What is Māyāvāda, Māyāvāda? This, we do not understand anything. Māyā is a fact because it is the power of God, and you have got to work with it. So we are all of us are vādīs. Don't talk all these thing now. Swāmījī, I am going to fire him.

Prabhupāda: No, why you have become angry?

Dr. Patel: No, I don't become angry. I become violent, not angry.

Mr. Sar: Māyāvādī's name is speaker.

Prabhupāda: That means he is Māyāvādī.

Dr. Patel: Māyā is a fact of life.

Prabhupāda: He is becoming angry; that means he is Māyāvāda.

Dr. Patel: [laughing] Māyā is a fact of life you can... [end]