Morning Walk

Chandobhai:

idaṁ tu te guhyatamaṁ pravakṣyāmy anasūyave jñānaṁ vijñāna-sahitaṁ yaj jñātvā mokṣyase 'śubhāt [Bg 9.1]

[The Supreme Lord said: My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to you this most secret wisdom, knowing which you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence.]

Prabhupāda: Yes, the first qualification is anasūyave.

Dr. Patel: Anasūyave, one who is not [indistinct] against God.

Prabhupāda: No. One who is not envious. A person generally... All conditioned souls, they are envious of God. Envious. "Why He should be God? I am God. I am God." So Arjuna is not like that type of. Therefore he is speaking to Arjuna. He is devotee. In the Fourth Chapter also, He said, bhakto 'si priyo 'si [Bg 4.3].

[That very ancient science of the relationship with the Supreme is today told by Me to you because you are My devotee as well as My friend; therefore you can understand the transcendental mystery of this science.]

Therefore Kṛṣṅa does not expose Himself unless one is devotee. This is first qualification. So to understand Bhagavad-gītā one must be a devotee. The so-called jñānī, yogī, they cannot understand. It is not possible, because they are trying to become God. Although it is simply dream, they can never become, but they are envious, that "Why Kṛṣṅa should be God? I have got so many gods." Anasūyave.

Dr. Patel: Rāja-vidya rāja-guhyaṁ pavitram idam uttamam pratyakṣa...

Prabhupāda: Avagamam.

Dr. Patel: ...avagamaṁ dharmyaṁ su-sukhaṁ kartum avyayam [Bg 9.2].

[This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed.]

Prabhupāda: Yes. And the bhakti-yoga... This is bhakti-yoga. Therefore it is rāja-vidya; when all kinds of learning, it is the king of.

Chandobhai: King of all.

Dr. Patel: King of. Is coming up.

Prabhupāda: So rāja-vidya and rāja-guhyam: most confident, very secret. It is not... And pavitram, uttamam.

Dr. Patel: Pratyakṣa avagamam.

Prabhupāda: And pratyakṣa avagamaṁ dharmyam. If you are jñānī, karmī, yogī, you cannot immediately directly perceive whether actually you have got the thing. But bhakti-yoga is like that.

Dr. Patel: Su-sukhaṁ. Kartum avyayam.

Prabhupāda: Bhakti-yoga, if you perform, you will perceive that "Yes, I am in this stage. I am in this stage." That has been described by Rūpa Gosvāmī. Just like when you are hungry and you are eating something, you can understand... [aside:] Don't come very near. You can understand that how much satisfaction you have got by eating. You haven't got to ask anybody, "Whether I am eating?" You can understand. The bhakti-yoga is so nice thing that if you execute it, you will understand your position. And it is su-sukham. To execute bhakti-yoga, there is no difficulty. It is always happy. Just like our program. Program is chant, dance, take prasādam. And if you take yoga system, jñāna system, first of all you have to become a very great, learned scholar, and then yoga system, you have to practice so many āsanas, press your nose, and so many things. But here everything is very happy: chant, chant Hare Kṛṣṅa mantra, dance and then take prasādam, and you understand where you are. This is the su-sukham. And avyayam. Avyayam means whatever little bhakti-yoga you have advanced, that is permanent.

Dr. Patel:

aśraddhadhānāḥ puruṣā dharmasyāsya parantapa aprāpya māṁ nivartante mṛtyu-saṁsāra-vartmani [Bg 9.3]

[Those who are not faithful in this devotional service cannot attain Me, O conqueror of enemies. Therefore they return to the path of birth and death in this material world.]

Prabhupāda: Ah. "And those who have no faith in bhakti-yoga, they do not get Me. They simply labor." That's all. Śrama eva hi kevalam [SB 1.2.8].

[The occupational activities a man performs according to his own position are only so much useless labor if they do not provoke attraction for the message of the Personality of Godhead.]

They are wasting time. That's all. As soon as we say, the time wasters, they become angry, "Oh, why you are saying? Don't criticize others." But if we say... Satya bole ta mare latha [laughter] suta jagalda.[?] If you bluff, "Oh, you are doing very nice, you are doing very nice," oh, he will be very pleased. And if I say that "You rascal, you are doing all, simply wasting your time," he will not be... Mūrkhāyopadeṣo hi prakopāya.

Dr. Patel:

mayā tatam idaṁ sarvaṁ jagad avyakta-mūrtinā mat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni na cāhaṁ teṣv avasthitaḥ [Bg 9.4]

[By Me, in My unmanifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.]

Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.

Dr. Patel:

na mat sthāni bhūtāni paśya me yogam aiśvaram bhūta-bhṛn na ca bhūta-stho mamātmā bhūta-bhāvanaḥ [Bg 9.5]

[And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me. Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer of all living entities, and although I am everywhere, still My Self is the very source of creation.]

Prabhupāda: Yes. So this is His inconceivable potency. Everything is resting on Him. Without Him, there is nothing. Nothing can exist. Still, the same argument comes again, that because the dog or the anything is resting on me, it does not mean I am dog. Daridra, he is resting on me, that does not mean I am daridra. Yes. This is the... This is wrong conception, misleading people. This kind of coined word, simply misleading people.

Dr. Patel: Na ca mat-sthāni bhūtāni. Even though He says...

Prabhupāda: Yes. I have nothing to do with daridra.

Dr. Patel: Therefore He said mat-sthāni bhūtāni.

Prabhupāda: He is suffering of his own karma.

Dr. Patel: But here a little difficulty for me. Here on the first line He says, mat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni [Bg 9.4].

[By Me, in My unmanifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.]

Second line He says, na ca mat-sthāni bhūtāni paśya me yogam aiśvaram.

Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Therefore, na ca mat-sthāni: "Although I am there, I am not there." That is inconceivable, simultaneously not also, just to warn these people that although Nārāyaṅa is within the daridra, in the dog, that does not mean "I am dog or I am daridra."

Dr. Patel: Bhūta-bhṛn na ca bhūta-stho mamātmā bhūta-bhāvanaḥ.

Prabhupāda: Bhūta-stha bhūta-bhāvanaḥ: "Everything is coming from Me. I am also within that, but still..." It is called acintya-bhedābheda,

[It is the living entity's constitutional position to be an eternal servant of Kṛṣṅa because he is the marginal energy of Kṛṣṅa and a manifestation simultaneously one and different from the Lord.]

that "I am there; I am not there."

Dr. Patel: Yathākāśa-sthito nityaṁ vāyuḥ sarvatra-go mahān.

Prabhupāda: Ah, this is the example.

Dr. Patel: Tathā sarvāṅi bhūtāni mat-sthānīty upadhāraya [Bg 9.6].

Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like this cloud. The cloud, we say "In the sky." The cloud is not in the sky; it is on the air. They mistake this, that "Nārāyaṅa is there." Nārāyaṅa is not there. Nārāyaṅa is separate. That is their foolishness.

Dr. Patel:

sarva-bhūtāni kaunteya prakṛtiṁ yānti māmikām kalpa-kṣaye punas tāni kalpādau visṛjāmy aham [Bg 9.7]

Prabhupāda: Yes. Because everything is coming from Him. Yato vā imāni bhūtāni jāyante [Taittirīya Upaniṣad 3.1].

[The Supreme Absolute Truth is that from which everything is born.]

Again they are given a chance to prosecute the result of his karma. And there is chance also to become a devotee. Therefore Kṛṣṅa, by His confidential servant, He preaches, "Take to this." But if they do not take, then again kalpa-kṣaye, again enters.

Dr. Patel: Kalpādau visṛjāmy aham.

Prabhupāda: And again there is kalpa. Again they come out. In this way they do not become liberated. Just like the child, those who are being, what is called, contraceptive method, abortion. These are very sinful. Because they have done killing, so they enter into the mother's womb and they are again killed, and again enter into the mother's womb, and again killed. He does not see the light. Similarly, those who are sinful, they are given chance in material manifestation, "Now work for Kṛṣṅa consciousness." But they do not do that. Again enters, again come out. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate [Bg 8.19]. This is going on. How much they are wasting their time, not taking to Kṛṣṅa consciousness.

Dr. Patel:

prakṛtiṁ svām avaṣṭabhya visṛjāmi punaḥ punaḥ bhūta-grāmam imaṁ kṛtsnam avaśaṁ prakṛter vaśāt [Bg 9.8]

Prabhupāda: Now visṛjāmi. The God, He creates. Here they comes. The rascals, they do not believe it, that "There is no creator." The Jains, they do not believe it, that creator has done it. "It has come automatically." Buddhist philosophy is like that, that "Everything is coming by combination..."

Dr. Patel: Prakṛti and puruṣa.

Prabhupāda: Yes. This is wrong theory. Actually, He says visṛjāmi, ahaṁ visṛjāmi: "I do."

Dr. Patel: Prakṛtiṁ svām avaṣṭabhya: "Controlling my prakṛti."

Prabhupāda: Avaṣṭabhya, now entering.

Dr. Patel: "Entering into My prakṛti, I am sṛjāmi, punaḥ punaḥ."

Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. He is outside; He is inside.

Indian: And then leave it in the control of the prakṛti, prakṛter vaśāt, avaṣaṁ prakṛter vaṣāt. Bhūta-grāmam imaṁ kṛtsnam avaṣām prakṛter vaśāt.

Prabhupāda: Bhūta-grāmam, not He.

Dr. Patel: Bhūta-grāmam, is due to the prakṛti, after creating the bhūtas.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel:

na ca māṁ tāni karmāṅi nibadhnanti dhanañjaya udāsīna-vad āsīnam asaktaṁ teṣu karmasu [Bg 9.9]

Prabhupāda: Yes. The same thing, that just like a judge orders, "This man should be hanged." But the judge is not affected by such thing. He's not affected. Just like you surgical, you are going on surgical operation. You are not affected. The man is crying, "Oh, here, doctor, you are killing me, killing me, killing me." But the killing or not killing, doctor sāhīb is not interested.

Dr. Patel:

mayādhyakṣeṅa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram hetunānena kaunteya jagad viparivartate [Bg 9.10]

[This material nature is working under My direction, O son of Kuntī, and it is producing all moving and unmoving beings. By its rule this manifestation is created and annihilated again and again.]

Prabhupāda: Yes. This is the... These rascal atheist class, they think that prakṛti is creating, prakṛti is creating, that the ocean is created by prakṛti. But why the ocean does not come here, fifty, sixty years. Because there is order that "You cannot come here." This big ocean, immediately, in one minute, it can swallow up whole Bombay. Therefore it is controlled. It is controlled by the Supreme. Mayādhyakṣeṅa.

Dr. Patel:

mayādhyakṣeṅa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram hetunānena kaunteya jagad viparivartate [Bg 9.10]

Prabhupāda: The whole worldly affair is going on... The godless atheists, they cannot understand it, that behind this prakṛti, the wonderful prakṛti, so many things happening. It is not happening independently.

Dr. Patel: By the order of God.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Mayādhyakṣeṅa: "Under My control."

Dr. Patel:

avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam paraṁ bhāvam ajānanto mama bhūta-maheśvaram [Bg 9.11]

[Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature and My supreme dominion over all that be.]

Prabhupāda: Now, these mūḍhas, they will think, "Huh? It is controlled by Kṛṣṅa? Huh. He is ordinary man like this." A mūḍha. Paraṁ bhāvam ajānanto. He does not know how much powerful is Kṛṣṅa, the mūḍha.

Dr. Patel: But you see, this is not like this, that those fools... [break]

Prabhupāda: That is also another mūḍha. But suppose if Kṛṣṅa says that "I am controlling the whole universe," the mūḍha will not believe it. "Huh? How is that? How...? Such a big, gigantic prakṛti, and He is a person, He can control?" The mūḍha cannot understand. He cannot understand that how much powerful is Kṛṣṅa.

Dr. Patel: Paraṁ bhāvam ajānantaḥ maheśvaram.

Prabhupāda: Paraṁ bhāvam ajānantaḥ. They do not know what is the all-omniscient nature of Kṛṣṅa.

Dr. Patel: The spiritual power of His. No. Paraṁ bhāva? Moghāśā mogha-karmāṅo mogha-jñānā vicetasaḥ [Bg 9.12].

[Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their fruitive activities, and their culture of knowledge are all defeated.]

Prabhupāda: Therefore, as soon as these rascal, they get little power, yogic perfection, they think, "I have become God. I have become God."

Dr. Patel: Mogha-jñānā vicetasaḥ. [laughing]

Prabhupāda: Yes. Rascal, he thinks that because "I can make like this, little gold, therefore I have become God."

Dr. Patel: Because they can go to moon...

Prabhupāda: The rascal does not think that "I am making, say, two grains or five grains of gold, but one who has made gold mines, millions, so He will be God or I will be God?" The rascal does not think that. And other rascals follow, "Oh, here is God. Here is God. He is creating gold." You see? Therefore mūḍha.

Dr. Patel: Moghāśā mogha-karmāṅo mogha-jñānā vicetasaḥ [Bg 9.12].

Prabhupāda: Ah, moghāśā. They are thinking that "I will become like this, I will become like this." Karmīs are thinking like this, jñānīs are thinking like this, yogīs are... But they are all false, mūḍhas. Moghāśā. Their hope will be frustrated. Moghāśā. Moghāśā mogha-karmāṅo [Bg 9.12]. Mogha means frustration. Moghāśā mogha-karmāṅo.

Dr. Patel: Rākṣasīm āsurīṁ caiva prakṛtiṁ mohinīṁ aśritāḥ.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Mohinīm. They are that aviśuddha-buddhayaḥ. Arūhya kṛcchreṅa paraṁ padaṁ tataḥ patanty adhaḥ anādhṛta-yusmad-aṅghrayaḥ [SB 10.2.32].

[[Someone may say that aside from devotees, who always seek shelter at the Lord's lotus feet, there are those who are not devotees but who have accepted different processes for attaining salvation. What happens to them? In answer to this question, Lord Brahmā and the other demigods said:] O lotus-eyed Lord, although nondevotees who accept severe austerities and penances to achieve the highest position may think themselves liberated, their intelligence is impure. They fall down from their position of imagined superiority because they have no regard for Your lotus feet.]

They are all impure. Their intelligence is not purified.

Dr. Patel: Mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ [Bg 9.13].

[O son of Pṛthā, those who are not deluded, the great souls, are under the protection of the divine nature. They are fully engaged in devotional service because they know Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, original and inexhaustible.]

Prabhupāda: Ah. Now... Now here come in the... These people are moghāśā, moghāśā. Their all hopes will be frustrated. But another class, mahātmā. Mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha [Bg 9.13]. They take shelter of the spiritual energy. Daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ. Because they..., the symptom is bhajanty ananya manasaḥ, "Hare Kṛṣṅa." They are not captivated by the so-called jñānīs, yogīs, karmīs. No. Simply chant Hare Kṛṣṅa. That is mahātmā.

Dr. Patel: Satataṁ kīrtayanto māṁ yatantaś ca dṛḍha-vratāḥ [Bg 9.14].

[Always chanting My glories, endeavoring with great determination, bowing down before Me, these great souls perpetually worship Me with devotion.]

Prabhupāda: Yes. Again explained. Satataṁ kīrtayanto. That is their only business.

Dr. Patel: Namasyantaś ca māṁ bhaktyā nitya-yuktā upāsate.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is being done in every ISKCON center. Satataṁ kīrtayanto, chanting always "Kṛṣṅa," namasyantas, offering obeisances. Everything in Kṛṣṅa. This is mahātmā.

Dr. Patel: Yes.

jñāna-yajñena cāpy anye yajanto mām upāsate ekatvena pṛthaktvena bahudhā viśvato-mukham [Bg 9.15]

[Others, who are engaged in the cultivation of knowledge, worship the Supreme Lord as the one without a second, diverse in many, and in the universal form.]

Here difficulty [Hindi].

Prabhupāda: Yes. Difficult [Hindi]. The jñāna-yajña [Hindi]. Indirectly. They are bhajante mām, but in a different way. And the mahātmās, those who are bhaktas, they are directly in the way. And they are indirectly, in this way.

Dr. Patel: Ekatvena pṛthaktvena bahudhā viśvato-mukham.

Prabhupāda: Ah. Ekatvena: "Now, I am, I am God."

Dr. Patel: Pṛthaktvena. Bahudhā viśvato-mukham. [Hindi]

Prabhupāda: Pantheism, pantheism. Bahudhā. Bahudhā means God has become pantheism.

Dr. Patel: All this.

ahaṁ kratur ahaṁ yajñaḥ svadhāham aham auṣadham mantro 'ham aham evājyam aham agir ahaṁ hutam [Bg 9.16]

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. Patel: "Everything is I."

Prabhupāda: "Everything is I." Because it is His energy, therefore He is. Śakti-śaktimator abhedaḥ. The energy and the energetic, they are identical.

Dr. Patel:

pitāham asya jagato mātā dhātā pitāmahaḥ vedyaṁ pavitram oṁkāra ṛk sāma yajur eva ca [Bg 9.17]

Prabhupāda: Yes. "Everything, these Vedas, that I am." Vedaiś cāham, aham eva vedyaḥ [Bg 15.15].

[I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas am I to be known; indeed I am the compiler of Vedānta, and I am the knower of the Vedas.]

So these... There are rascals, they claim that "We are Vedic student. We don't believe in Kṛṣṅa. We don't believe in Bhagavad-gītā." You know this rascal society?

Dr. Patel: Mātā dhātā pitāmahaḥ.

gatir bhartā prabhuḥ sākṣī nivāsaḥ śaraṅaṁ suhṛt prabhavaḥ pralayaḥ sthānaṁ nidhānaṁ bījam avyayam [Bg 9.18]

[I am the goal, the sustainer, the master, the witness, the abode, the refuge and the most dear friend. I am the creation and the annihilation, the basis of everything, the resting place and the eternal seed.]

"Everything is I. I am death as well as I am life."

Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.

Dr. Patel:

tapāmy aham ahaṁ varṣaṁ nigṛhṅāmy utsṛjāmi ca amṛtaṁ caiva mṛtyuś ca sad asac cāham arjuna [Bg 9.19]

He is sat and asat both.

Prabhupāda: Cause and effect.

Dr. Patel: Cause and effect. Now comes about the brāhmaṅa class who are making the yajñas.

trai-vidyā māṁ soma-pāḥ pūta-pāpā yajñair iṣṭvā svar-gatiṁ prārthayante te puṅyam āsādya surendra-lokam aśnanti divyān divi deva-bhogān [Bg 9.20]

[Those who study the Vedas and drink the soma juice, seeking the heavenly planets, worship Me indirectly. They take birth on the planet of Indra, where they enjoy godly delights.]

Prabhupāda: Yes. Svar-gatim, those who are desiring to go to the Svargaloka, heavenly planet, they go. They go...

Dr. Patel: And come back.

Prabhupāda: ...again come back.

Dr. Patel:

te taṁ bhuktvā svarga-lokaṁ viśālaṁ kṣīṅe puṅye martya-lokaṁ viśanti... [Bg 9.21]

[When they have thus enjoyed heavenly sense pleasure, they return to this mortal planet again. Thus, through the Vedic principles, they achieve only flickering happiness.]

Prabhupāda: Yes. But those who are devotees, they do not come back.

Dr. Patel:

...evaṁ trayī-dharmam anuprapannā gatāgataṁ kāma-kāmā labhante [Bg 9.21]

Prabhupāda: This is trayī-dharma, Vedic process.

Dr. Patel:

ananyāś cintayanto māṁ ye janāḥ paryupāsate teṣāṁ nityābhiyuktānāṁ yoga-kṣemaṁ vahāmy aham [Bg 9.22]

[But those who worship Me with devotion, meditating on My transcendental form-to them I carry what they lack and preserve what they have.]

Prabhupāda: That's all. The devotees, they do not care for anybody. Simply depending on Kṛṣṅa. Therefore whatever necessities they require, Kṛṣṅa will supply.

Dr. Patel: Ye 'py anya-devatā-bhaktā yajante śraddhayānvitāḥ. [Hindi] Te 'pi mām eva kaunteya yajanty avidhi-pūrvakam [Bg 9.23]. Ahaṁ hi sarva-yajñānāṁ bhoktā ca prabhur eva ca, na tu mām abhijānanti tattva... [Bg 9.24].

[I am the only enjoyer and the only object of sacrifice. Those who do not recognize My true transcendental nature fall down.]

Prabhupāda: Yes. He is performing yajña. Just like the yajñic brāhmaṅa in Vṛndāvana. Kṛṣṅa went there and asked for some food. "Heh!"

Dr. Patel: They did not give.

Prabhupāda: They did not give.

Dr. Patel: Their wives gave.

Prabhupāda: All yajñic brāhmaṅas, like that. There are so many fools like that. They are thinking that "I am..., we are doing yajñas, I am doing this, I am doing that. What is this Kṛṣṅa? The Kṛṣṅa devotees are less intelligent. They are chanting Hare Kṛṣṅa."

Dr. Patel:

ahaṁ hi sarva-yajñānāṁ bhoktā ca prabhur eva ca na tu mām abhijānanti tattvenātaś cyavanti te [Bg 9.24]

[I am the only enjoyer and the only object of sacrifice. Those who do not recognize My true transcendental nature fall down.]

Because they fall from the truth.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Because these people do not understand Kṛṣṅa tattvata, therefore they fall down.

Dr. Patel:

yānti deva-vratā devān pitṝn yānti pitṛ-vratāḥ bhūtāni yānti bhūtejyā yānti mad-yājino 'pi mām [Bg 9.25]

[Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; those who worship ancestors go to the ancestors; and those who worship Me will live with Me.]

Prabhupāda: Ah, yes. "Now, the devayājas, they can go to the heavenly planet. Pitṛs and śraddhā performer, they go Pitṛloka. Bhūtejyā, those who are worshiping this material world, they remain here. But if one worships Me, he comes to Me."

Dr. Patel: "Come to Me in Goloka Vṛndāvana".

Prabhupāda: Yes. Everything is open, but an intelligent person will think that "Why shall I go to Svargaloka? Why shall I remain here? Why shall I go to Pitṛloka? Let me go direct to Kṛṣṅa." Yad gatvā na nivartante tad dhāma paramaṁ mama [Bg 15.6].

[That abode of Mine is not illumined by the sun or moon, nor by electricity. One who reaches it never returns to this material world.]

That is intelligent, to become Kṛṣṅa conscious, to take to Kṛṣṅa wholeheartedly. That is real intelligence. Otherwise mūḍha, whatever he may be.

Dr. Patel: Patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me bhaktyā prayacchati [Bg 9.26].

[If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it.]

Prabhupāda: Ah. And to satisfy Kṛṣṅa, it does not require any expensive material. If you have nothing to offer, you can offer patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ. He will be satisfied. And performing this yajña and other, oh, you have got to collect so much ghee, so much grain, so much mantras, so many learned brāhmaṅas and this and that. You have nothing to do. Anywhere, any part of the world, universal, any man, poor man, rich man, can offer Kṛṣṅa whatever he has got, Kṛṣṅa is satisfied.

Dr. Patel: Tad ahaṁ bhakty-upahṛtam [Bg 9.26].

Prabhupāda: Ah. Bhaktya-upahṛtam aśnāmi prayatātmanaḥ. Yes. "Because he has offered Me with faith and devotion and love, I accept it." So when Kṛṣṅa eats something from your hand, then what remains? Again perfection. All perfection is there. If Kṛṣṅa is accepting something from your hand, "Yes, I will eat it." Then?

Dr. Patel:

yat karoṣi yad aśnāsi yajjuhoṣi dadāsi yat yat tapasyasi kaunteya tat kuruṣva mad-arpaṅam [Bg 9.27]

Prabhupāda: Kuruṣva tad mad-arpaṅam. Therefore this is bhakti-yoga. Whatever you do, the result you give to Kṛṣṅa.

Dr. Patel: Whatever you do for Him, and forget about it.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Unless you do for Him, how you can give it? Because you are thinking that "I am doing for me," therefore you do not give to Kṛṣṅa. You keep it in your pocket.

Dr. Patel: Śubhāśubha-phalair evaṁ mokṣyase karma-bandhanaiḥ [Bg 9.28].

[In this way you will be freed from all reactions to good and evil deeds, and by this principle of renunciation you will be liberated and come to Me.]

Ah, yat tapasyasi kaunteya tad kuruṣva mad-arpaṅam [Bg 9.27].

Prabhupāda: Yes. Tapasi, tapasya. There are many, they are very much addicted to tapasya, suska tapasya. Śūṣka tapasya. There are many stages—unnecessarily starving, fasting unnecessarily.

Dr. Patel: Karṣanti mām.

Prabhupāda: Ah. Yes. This is going on. Why? Take Kṛṣṅa prasādam, be happy, chant Hare Kṛṣṅa mantra and dance. Susukhaṁ kartum avyayam [Bg 9.2].

[This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed.]

Everything very nice to perform and very progressive, immediately.

Dr. Patel: [Hindi]

śubhāśubha-phalair evaṁ mokṣyase karma-bandhanaiḥ sannyāsa-yoga-yuktātmā vimukto mām upaiṣyasi [Bg 9.28]

[In this way you will be freed from all reactions to good and evil deeds, and by this principle of renunciation you will be liberated and come to Me.]

Prabhupāda: Yes. Sannyāsa-yoga means sa sannyāsī, the one who acts for Kṛṣṅa, sa sannyāsī.

Dr. Patel: Sannyāsa-yoga-yuktātmā. Means you have actually, I mean, sannyāsa means nyāsa of all attachment toward the...

Prabhupāda: Nyāsa means giving up, giving up. Nyāsa. Sat nyāsa, sannyāsa. Oṁ tat sat. Sat is Kṛṣṅa. Therefore when you sacrifice everything for Kṛṣṅa, that is real sannyāsa, not this dress. This dress is symbolical. That's all. Real thing is kāryaṁ karma karoti ya. Kāryam. "Oh, it is my... Kṛṣṅa wants everyone should surrender unto Him. Then I shall teach everyone to surrender to Kṛṣṅa." Kāryam. "This is my business." Kāryaṁ karma karoti, sa sannyāsī. What is that kāryam? Kāryam means... This is kāryam.

Chandobhai: Yajñā dana tapa.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Kṛṣṅa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya [Bg 18.66].

[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]

You'll take a practical. My Guru Mahārāja gave me hint that "Book publication is more pleasing to me than maṭha-mandira." So I took it, and I began to publish books, and that has come successful. Kāryaṁ karma. I took it, "Oh, Guru Mahārāja wants that books should be published. So let me concentrate on this instead of..." My creating so many centers, big, big temples, that is not my primary duty. My primary duty is to write books. Therefore I am going on still. These are coming automatically. Maybe this is the secret of my success.

Dr. Patel: Sannyāsa-yoga-yuktātmā vimukto mām upaiṣyasi [Bg 9.28].

[In this way you will be freed from all reactions to good and evil deeds, and by this principle of renunciation you will be liberated and come to Me.]

Prabhupāda: Ah, karyam, that one should take the order of the guru, because guru is the representative of Kṛṣṅa. So when one takes... That is explained by Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura in connection with the verse,

vyavasāyātmikā buddhir ekeha kuru-nandana bahu-śākhā hy anantāś ca buddhayo 'vyavasāyinām [Bg 2.41]

So the vyavasāyīs, those who are fixed up in the words of guru, so "Guru has ordered me to do it. Oh, that is my life. I do not know whether I will be promoted to heaven or hell. It doesn't matter. I shall execute."

Dr. Patel: Execute the order of the guru.

Prabhupāda: Guru. Yes. That is the secret. Yasya deve parā bhaktir tathā deve yathā gurau [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.23].

[Unto those great souls who have implicit faith in both the Lord and the spiritual master, all the imports of Vedic knowledge are automatically revealed.]

Then he is sure to be successful. This is the secret.

Dr. Patel:

samo 'ham sarva-bhūteṣu na me dveṣyo 'sti na priyaḥ ye bhajanti tu māṁ bhaktyā mayi te teṣu cāpy aham [Bg 9.29]

[I envy no one, nor am I partial to anyone. I am equal to all. But whoever renders service unto Me in devotion is a friend, is in Me, and I am also a friend to him.]

Prabhupāda: Just see. They bhajanti, and these rascals has announced, "This bhajana is nuisance." Just see. This is Kali-yuga, and this is our Indian government. Ye bhajanti māṁ teṣam. He is always associating with God. "I am always with him," ye bhajanti, and this rascal has remarked, "Bhajana nuisance." Catur-vidhā bhajante māṁ sukṛtino 'rjuna. These are the statements. But we are... We did not take any...

Dr. Patel: They are durācaris.

Prabhupāda: Yes. But we should have taken some step against this, the "Why you have said like this?" But nobody has taken.

Dr. Patel: But we are going to take steps. Let that man come.

api cet sudurācāro bhajate mām ananya-bhāk sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ samyag vyavasito hi saḥ [Bg 9.30]

[Even if one commits the most abominable actions, if he is engaged in devotional service, he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated.]

Prabhupāda: Yes. Here... The first thing is one must have rigid, staunch faith in Kṛṣṅa. That is the qualification. Other things may be little deviation. It doesn't matter. The first thing is whether he is sticking to Kṛṣṅa consciousness. Then he is sādhu.

Dr. Patel: Ananya-bhāk.

Prabhupāda: Ananya-bhāk, yes. He has no other business.

Dr. Patel: Because he is samyag vyavasito, he is rightly doing.

kṣipraṁ bhavati dharmātmā śaśvac-chāntiṁ nigacchati kaunteya pratijānīhi na me bhaktaḥ praṅaśyati [Bg 9.31]

[He quickly becomes righteous and attains lasting peace. O son of Kuntī, declare it boldly that My devotee never perishes.]

Prabhupāda: "Although there are some bad habits," kaunteya pratijānīhi na me bhaktaḥ, "because he is My devotee, he will not be lost. He will take to the right position."

Dr. Patel: I'll read this twice, and twice we are...

kṣipraṁ bhavati dharmātmā śaśvac-chāntiṁ nigacchati kaunteya pratijānīhi na me bhaktaḥ praṅaśyati [Bg 9.31]

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Chandobhai: He has made a promise.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Kaunteya pratijānīhi. He has not promised; He says Arjuna, that "You declare this." Because sometimes for His devotee He breaks His promise. But because His devotee Arjuna will promise, it will be never frustrated. "Oh, My devotee has promised." Therefore He says, kaunteya pratijānīhi, "You do this."

Dr. Patel:

māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ striyo vaiśyās tathā śūdrās te 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim [Bg 9.32]

[O son of Pṛthā, those who take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth—women, vaiśyas [merchants], as well as śūdras [workers]—can approach the supreme destination.]

kiṁ punar brāhmaṅaḥ puṅyā bhaktā rājarṣayas tathā anityam asukhaṁ lokam imaṁ prāpya bhajasva mām [Bg 9.33]

[How much greater then are the brāhmaṅas, the righteous, the devotees and saintly kings who in this temporary miserable world engage in loving service unto Me.]

Prabhupāda: This is the conclusion, bhajasva mām. Again bhajana.

Dr. Patel: The highest... That is why we have come here.

Prabhupāda: Bhajasva mām. Again He's saying, bhajasva mām.

Dr. Patel: The highest comes now.

Prabhupāda: That is the highest...

Dr. Patel: Highest comes now.

man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru mām evaiśyasi yuktvaivam ātmānaṁ mat-parāyanaḥ [Bg 9.34]

Prabhupāda: You know, while commenting this verse, Dr. Radhakrishnan, "It is not to Kṛṣṅa." Just see. After reading so much he said, "It is not to Kṛṣṅa." Just see. Mūḍha. [laughs] There is a Bengali proverb, sat-khanda rāmāyaṅa pāde, sitera na baba[?]. After reading the seven khandas...

Indian man: Yes, he's Bengali.

Prabhupāda: Yes, that's all right. After reading the whole Rāmāyaṅa he is asking, "Whose father is Sītā?" Similarly, this Dr. Radhakrishnan, after reading the whole chapter, he is advising, "It is not to Kṛṣṅa." Just see how much rascal he is. And he is passing on as a great scholar.

Dr. Patel: I will re-read this three times. I will read this three times. Man-mana bhava-mad-bhakto. [goes on reading verse]

Prabhupāda: This is the conclusion.

Dr. Patel: "When completely yourself are settled in Me, you have got to come to Me. You can't go anywhere else." Again I will read the last. Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī.

Prabhupāda: Very simple thing. You always think of Kṛṣṅa, man-manā; you become His devotee, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto; mad-yājī, worship Kṛṣṅa, and namaskuru. Where is the cost? No expenditure. If you think of Kṛṣṅa, if you worship Kṛṣṅa, if you offer obeisances to Him... Therefore this Deity is there, for these purposes. Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru [Bg 18.65].

[Always think of Me and become My devotee. Worship Me and offer your homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. I promise you this because you are My very dear friend.]

Simply by doing these four things, he is becoming liberated so much that he is going back to Godhead. That's all.

[break] ...movement is very scientific movement, based on the teachings of Bhagavad-gītā. Most scientific. [break] We may be proud. Because this is scientific, therefore it is so quickly progressing. [break] ...take. Within one cult. [break] ...so I was, that "I want to start this movement," I was talking. So he very much appreciated, and he promised in writing that "As soon as I retire I shall join with you." He wrote me.

Dr. Patel: But then we have to tell him that "Come on, you are retiring. Join. And if you..."

Prabhupāda: That I wrote also. He was silent.

Dr. Patel: Now, you just tell him, "If you are following me here, there is one Dr. Patel who will take you." [break]

Prabhupāda: ...come for treatment. Why shall I come? [break] ...eight years old..., older than me. So I am seventy-eight. Maybe eighty-six. Yes. He was also of the same age. Older than me.

Dr. Patel: You were all the time in Allahabad. You must be knowing them from very close part.

Prabhupāda: No, he my customer. I used to go to his home. And he was coming to my shop. Yes. He was my customer. When 1928 Congress was there, I sent him one letter that "I want to become a delegate and go there." So immediately, "Yes, you come." So I went to Calcutta and I told his secretary that "Panditji has told me like this." "Yes, take this ticket." Yes. I became... So I was criticizing my friend, because the delegate fee is one rupee and the reception committee fee at that time was twenty-five rupees. And still, they were on the last seat. And because at that time Motilal Nehru became president, the president..., the province in which the president becomes, that provincial member occupies the first seat. So we occupied the first seat from Allahabad. So I...

Dr. Patel: Front seats.

Prabhupāda: Front seat, yes. So I was criticizing my friends in Calcutta that "You have paid twenty-five rupees, you have got last seat. I have paid one rupee, I have first seat." We were very thickly... Not very thickly, but as customer... Do you know? I shall tell one incident. One day Jawaharlal Nehru came and he asked me, "Give me prophylactic hairbrush." So I told, "Panditji, we are selling prophylactic toothbrush, and we do not know that there is prophylactic hairbrush." "No, you do not know. You get it for me. I want it." So I got it from Bombay, here, and supplied him.

Dr. Patel: There is no prophylactic hairbrush anywhere.

Prabhupāda: No, I got it, prophylactic hairbrush.

Dr. Patel: Somebody writes on it, on the name "prophylactic."

Prabhupāda: It may be whatever it may be. Now, just see that how much country conscious he was: he wants a tooth brush. Not only that. I will tell you another incident. I was manufacturing one medicine, jagon[?] poultice. That is like anti-[indistinct]. So doctors were prescribing in Allahabad. So there was one big doctor, Dr. R. N. Banerjee, Rai Baba. So sometimes I was seeing the doctors. So when I went there, "Oh, it is very difficult to prescribe country medicine." "Why?" "Oh, you will be surprised. I prescribed this jagon poultice in the Nehru family." He was physician. "And Motilal Nehru said, 'Oh, doctor, excuse me. In the matter of medicine, don't prescribe country medicine.' " Just see. Believed in him.

Dr. Patel: Gandhiji was never asking anything for medicine much.

Prabhupāda: No, that is another thing. I know these people, this Nehru family. They were completely Europeanized. Outwardly [indistinct]. Even up to the last point of his life, if some European would come, he would immediately receive him. And if you Indian wants to see him, "Oh, it will be..." You will have to wait at least one...

Dr. Patel: He was conscious about the color.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Everything London-made is very good. That was Jawaharlal Nehru's idea.

Dr. Patel: Totally. Absolutely. It was a miracle, I think, the greatest miracle Calcutta has ever had.

Prabhupāda: Yes. He was... From very beginning of his birth, he is Englishman.

Dr. Patel: Right. He was not allowed to speak Bengali by his parents.

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Dr. Patel: He was not allowed talking Bengali by his parents

Prabhupāda: Just see. And because in those days... [break]

Dr. Patel: We are forgetting Sanskrit very quickly.

Prabhupāda: No, no, those who are interested...

Dr. Patel: Now the schools, they don't teach as in our times. [break]

Prabhupāda: As soon as the kṣatriyas were negligent, immediately the brāhmaṅas should take step. That was the system.

[break] ...offer advice to the kṣatriyas according to śāstra, and kṣatriyas would execute, and the vaiśyas would care for supply. And the śūdras, serving everyone. That's all. This is the system. [break] So he used to manufacture. To manufacture means śūdra.

Dr. Patel: I see. [end]