Room Conversation
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṅa. [break] ...the society. Eh? Father, mother, killing children, is that human society?
Rāmeśvara: No, lower than animal.
Prabhupāda: You see? And we have to tolerate this?
Rāmeśvara: Well, what about all these artificial divisions, "this nation," "that nation," "this land"?
Prabhupāda: That is also another fanaticism.
Rāmeśvara: Nationalism.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is another fanaticism, gundaism. Not nationalism—gundaism. "Everything belongs to God. We are sons of God. We must enjoy everywhere. You cannot check."
Rāmeśvara: It seems that eventually, then, the Kṛṣṅa conscious movement will establish one world government.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is wanted. Actually that is the meaning.
Rāmeśvara: Within the period of...
Prabhupāda: We actually do. When you go to the sea, who claims "This is my sea"?
Hari-śauri: Actually they're doing that now. They have twelve-mile limits and things like that.
Prabhupāda: That is also limited. So twelve miles...
Hari-śauri: Middle of Atlantic they're not claiming.
Prabhupāda: Yes. There is no claim.
Rāmeśvara: So Lord Caitanya's movement will actually reach that level.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is Kṛṣṅa consciousness. Īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam [Īśo mantra 1]:
[Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong.]
"Everything belongs to Kṛṣṅa." We are all children. The America is protecting for Americans. "No! No American. Let the Chinese. They are so well congested. The Indians, come on!" You came here. It is not your father's property. Why do you check others, rascal? You stolen this property from the Red Indian, and now you have become proprietor.
Rāmeśvara: And they're paying the farmers not to grow food in America.
Hari-śauri: Subsidizing it.
Prabhupāda: Just see. That is pūrṅam idam [Īśo Invocation].
[The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete, and because He is completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal world, are perfectly equipped as complete wholes. Whatever is produced of the Complete Whole is also complete in itself. Because He is the Complete Whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the complete balance.]
By God's arrangement everything is full. There is no question of overpopulation. Just see. So much land is lying vacant. There is no utilization.
Rāmeśvara: No, they should use their science for developing the resources for the benefit of all people.
Prabhupāda: There is no needs of science. This is the science: chant Hare Kṛṣṅa; there will be sufficient rain, and you till the ground and grow food.
Hari-śauri: Actually, by their science...
Prabhupāda: This is the science.
Hari-śauri: Their science is incapable.
Prabhupāda: Yajñād bhavati parjanyaḥ [Bg 3.14].
[All living bodies subsist on food grains, which are produced from rain. Rains are produced by performance of yajña [sacrifice], and yajña is born of prescribed duties.]
If there is... What is your nonsense science? If there is no rain, drought, what you can do?
Hari-śauri: They can't develop their science to that point where they can...
Prabhupāda: No, these... These scientists are rascals. I call them rascals. That's...
Hari-śauri: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda. [break]
Rāmeśvara: ...to make them fatter. [laughter]
Prabhupāda: So madman they are.
Rāmeśvara: It was in Reader's Digest. They had that idea. And they described one man who invested fifty thousand dollars and imported crabs from... Where? Australia?
Hari-śauri: Indonesia.
Rāmeśvara: Indonesia. And he put them in a pond. He was thinking, "They will reproduce, and I'll have huge family of crabs."
Prabhupāda: That you can have. That is material...
Rāmeśvara: And the crabs, in such close quarters, they began eating each other.
Prabhupāda: Acchā?
Rāmeśvara: And at the end he had one crab left for his fifty thousand dollars. [chuckling]
Prabhupāda: A madman working. Chāgale ki nā khāya, pāgale ki bale. "A madman, what does he not say, and a goat, what does he not eat?" There is a system like that amongst the Muhammadan aristocracy. They keep one hundred chickens. Each day they kill one chicken, and that flesh, chopped up and given to the ninety-nine. Then, next day another. In this way, when one is left, that the master eats. Concentrating from hundred to one, and then he eats it. This is Muhammadan process.
Rāmeśvara: What is the use?
Prabhupāda: They know. [chuckling] They think the hundred chickens' vitamin comes into one.
Hari-śauri: Māyayāpahṛta-jñānā [Bg 7.15].
[Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, lowest among mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the atheistic nature of demons, do not surrender unto Me.]
Prabhupāda: And by eating such chicken, you don't require one cloth. That is aristocracy. They, during severe cold, they will have fine panjabi. You know panjabi?
Hari-śauri: Yes, very thin.
Prabhupāda: And if you wear... [break] [end]