Room Conversation

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Australian books are sold out. I was thinking that you would be thinking about that. He has to print in bigger quantities.

Prabhupāda: Great amount. You have to appoint two, three more printers.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yes. Gopāla says that the problem is not the printers, because they have offset presses, so to them, to print ten thousand, twenty thousand, fifty thousand doesn't really make much difference. The real issue is that he only had a certain amount of money up until now to work with. Now, if he gets more money available, he can easily print more books.

Prabhupāda: Money is there.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yes. I mean, that was his point up until now, because once you have an offset press, it's just as easy to print fifty thousand as ten thousand. It doesn't really change their situation so much.

Prabhupāda: Money, there is no scarcity.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yes. [pause]

Prabhupāda: Why kīrtana has stopped?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Why kīrtana stopped?

Prabhupāda: Tired?

Upendra: No.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: We're not tired.

Upendra: They are hanging on for every word you say, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Upendra: They are hanging for every word you say.

Prabhupāda: Hanging?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: They were eager to hear your words.

Prabhupāda: Oh. Hmm. [break] [Bengali about dispensary]

Dr. G. Ghosh: [Bengali] With the greatest pleasure. [Bengali with Prabhupāda] Thank you. [Bengali]

Prabhupāda: You are welcome. You are welcome.

Dr. G. Ghosh: Ācchā. Thank you.

Prabhupāda: [Bengali with Dr. Ghosh]

Jayapatākā: Dr. Ghosh said he would even invest ten, fifteen thousand rupees in a dispensary, make it a very nice one.

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Jayapatākā: He said he would donate money also for..., even ten, fifteen thousand rupees, for making nice dispensary.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Dr. G. Ghosh: I am at the end of my resources. [Bengali] I am ready. [Bengali] You should also come forward and cooperate with me. [Bengali] Servant I am. [Bengali]

Prabhupāda: Mutual. [Bengali with Dr. Ghosh]

Dr. G. Ghosh: Every half an hour, an hour, just two teaspoons. [Bengali with Prabhupāda] Small quantities frequently. Small quantities frequently. [Bengali with Prabhupāda] Tamāla Kṛṣṅa orders... [Bengali] We just take orders from him. Whatever he says, it will be done. You see, I am always at your service. And so whatever you get instruction, I... Today I am going to Allahabad...

Prabhupāda: Āpni, immediately come. Immediately come. [Bengali]

Dr. G. Ghosh: Ācchā. All right. Consider me as your servant. I'm always ready to serve you. [Bengali] I've never been confined to bed in these long years. [Bengali] I have given medicine to lakhs and lakhs of people, but I myself have never taken any. [Bengali] I am always ready. I am free now, absolutely free, [Bengali] with full energy.

Prabhupāda: Āpnāra life full successful. [Bengali] Āpnāra family life, successful. Our family life, failure. [laughter]

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Your spiritual family life...

Dr. G. Ghosh: [Bengali]

Prabhupāda: We started life together. His life, family life, is very successful, and my family life is...

Jayapatākā: So better to have an unsuccessful family life, Śrīla Prabhupāda, and be successful in Kṛṣṅa consciousness.

Prabhupāda: And done big, big business. Eh? Whatever Kṛṣṅa wanted to bring me, to do this work. Anyway... So I was sleeping?

Upendra: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: You slept many, many, many hours. How do you feel?

Prabhupāda: Yes, feel good. In the morning part there is sleep; at night there is... Never mind.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: That's your old habit.

Prabhupāda: Even it is scratching... Yes. When I sleep, then do not disturb.

Upendra: When he sleeps, don't disturb.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: No, no. He doesn't get disturbed when he sleeps. [pause]

Jayapatākā: All the devotees are eager that in this way, if you can frequently eat little bit, little bit, then gradually you can gain some strength.

Prabhupāda: What is the time now?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: About 9:20. Nearly 9:30. You've slept a long time. And you slept at night pretty much also, Śatadhanya Mahārāja reports. Would you like to hear some special kīrtana?

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Baradrāj is here. He can sing any song you'd like to hear especially this morning.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Is there some special request?

Prabhupāda: Baradrāj is the best artist.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Baradrāj?

Prabhupāda: Best artist.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Best artist. He also sings very sweetly.

Prabhupāda: Artist means that.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Would you like to hear Hari Haraye Namaḥ? Should he play with harmonium?

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Okay. And we'll all accompany?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Okay. [background whispering] [kīrtana] [break]

Prabhupāda: So urine is being stopped.

Upendra: Prabhupāda just tried for urine and passed about 10.

Prabhupāda: This is the last.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Should I just see why? If I look at the book I can give you some information.

Prabhupāda: Not in the book. Yes, you can see.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yesterday you took about 650 cc's to drink. You passed in urine about 450, plus you passed stool, another 150 to 200. So yesterday you passed almost as much as you drank, so there's nothing balance left today. Today you've taken about 100, 200 cc's to drink, and you've already passed over 100 of urine, so it's not very surprising that you're not passing much urine right now, 'cause you haven't drank very much.

Prabhupāda: So it depends on my drinking.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Oh, definitely. If you don't drink, then you won't pass urine.

Prabhupāda: Then? I cannot drink. I am drinking.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yes. As much as you're drinking, you're passing urine. As you're drinking, you're passing urine.

Prabhupāda: But I have no desire to drink even.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Then you won't pass urine.

Prabhupāda: Then?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Urine comes from... It's a liquid. So you have to take in liquid.

Prabhupāda: Eh. Then consult kavirāja.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: I don't understand what you... You want to pass urine without drinking?

Prabhupāda: No, I am prepared to drink.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: So then drink. Drink something then.

Prabhupāda: Give me.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Okay. Then after a while you'll pass urine automatically. Just like remember the day that you set your record of 1,000 cc's that you drank? On that day you passed also nearly 500 cc's urine. So depending upon how much you drink, that much you'll pass as urine.

Prabhupāda: Then what is the value of medicine?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: You mean if you don't take the medicine will... Your question is that "If I stop taking medicine, will I continue to pass urine?" I think so. Medicine was... There was a... For some time your urine had become very dark. So the medicine was supposed to clear it up. Now your urine is clear. And, of course, the medicine was also supposed to help you to recover your strength, but that has not happened. At least we cannot see that there's any noticeable change in your strength.

Prabhupāda: Nava-yogendra? The presentation which you have brought may not be required here. Better sell them and engage there.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Sell them and engage there in Mombasa.

Nava-yogendra: What? Which I brought here?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: You mean those plates and things, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Anything, presentation, for the time being there is no need. Better invest the money there to develop.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Prabhupāda wants you to invest whatever... 'Cause he's not eating so much, he says. So better to use the money and invest it in Mombasa for development there. That temple is very good, I think.

Prabhupāda: Kavirājī's medicine was helping stop the passing of...

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Kavirājī's medicine was what, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Helping through medicine passing of urine. Of course, I'll drink, but what is the use of then the allopathic?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Well, as I explained, the purpose of the allopathic was that during the time when your urine became very dark, we wanted to make it, you know, take away the poisons that were causing the urine to become dark. Now your urine is not dark anymore. That was one main thing. And the other thing was that we were hoping somehow to get you back to more strength, give you more strength by taking away whatever disease was there.

Prabhupāda: Jaya Nitāi-Gaura. Śrī-kṛṣṅa-caitanya prabhu nityānanda, śrī-advaita gadādhara śrīvāsādi-gaura-bhakta-vṛnda.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Drinking is very good. Whatever you go, kavirājī, allopathy, or Hare Kṛṣṅa devotees, all of them recommend drinking some liquids or eating. Of course, eating is... You are having a little difficulty eating, of course. Eating or drinking is good.

Prabhupāda: Let kīrtana go on.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yes, I told them.

Prabhupāda: Jaya Nitāi-Gaura. Premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti [Bs 5.38],

[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is Śyāmasundara, Kṛṣṅa Himself with inconceivable innumerable attributes, whom the pure devotees see in their heart of hearts with the eye of devotion tinged with the salve of love.]

[Tamāla Kṛṣṅa recites with Prabhupāda] yaṁ śyāmasundaram acintya-guṅa-svarūpaṁ govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi. Śyāmasundaram acintya-guṅa-svarūpam. Still the śyāmasundaram acintya-guṅa-svarūpam is going on; otherwise, we are simply some bones, nothing else. Everything is finished. Jaya Nitāi-Gaura and rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhan [Tamāla Kṛṣṅa recites with Prabhupāda] nānāvatāram akarod bhuvaneṣu kintu, kṛṣṅaḥ svayaṁ sama... [Bs 5.39].

[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who manifested Himself personally as Kṛṣṅa and the different avatāras in the world in the forms of Rāma, Nṛsiṁha, Vāmana, etc., as His subjective portions.]

[aside:] You can give massage.

Hmm. So what is the next drinking?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: What is the next drinking? Make something nice.

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Bhavānanda: It's cold custard.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Want some cold custard?

Prabhupāda: Whatever you give, I'll take.

Nava-yogendra: Śrīla Prabhupāda? This dream that you were walking... I became very happy.

[background whispering]

Bhavānanda: This is grape juice.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Okay, some grape juice, Śrīla Prabhupāda. That is the old reliable.

Prabhupāda: So?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: You'll have to sit up. Is that all right?

[break] These are very favorite preparations. Today is Rāma Vijaya Utsava. Also the appearance day of Śrī Madhvācārya. So you should have a feast today, Śrīla Prabhupāda. [laughter] So maybe Pisimā should do some cooking to celebrate this day. It is a very big... Dr. Ghosh told me that amongst the Bengali community...

Prabhupāda: No, all over India.

Pisimā: All over India.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: And also Durgā-pūjā is today.

Prabhupāda: Vijayotsava. Today Rāmacandra conquered over Rāvaṅa.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: So to celebrate that, shouldn't Pisimā do some cooking?

Prabhupāda: Hmm. Lugdu.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: And you'll taste a little of each thing?

Prabhupāda: Hmm. I'll take. [break]

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: ...today, Śrīla Prabhupāda? Maybe the medicines are having some good effect. [break] Today is Vijayotsava.

Pisimā: [Bengali]

Bhavānanda: Utsava.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Rāma Vijayotsava. Speak in Hindi.

Nava-yogendra: Ajke rāma vijaya utsava hai.

Prabhupāda: Hard of hearing. [laughter]

Bhavānanda: [loudly] Ajke rāma vijaya utsava. Aneka prasāda.

Pisimā: Aneka prasādam.

Bhavānanda: Āpne aneka prasādam korilun. [Bengali] Lugdu. Lugdu.

Pisimā: Lāḍu.

Bhavānanda: Lugdu.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Prabhupāda asked for lugdu.

Prabhupāda: [Bengali] lugdu.

Nava-yogendra: Lugdu, lugdu.

Pisimā: Lugdu.

Nava-yogendra: Bundi lāḍu.

Bhavānanda: Lucī?

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Pisimā: Lucī.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Okay. She will cook a feast to celebrate the day, Śrīla Prabhupāda, and you have to also take part. [break]

Prabhupāda: ...such a way he'll call laughing. Gravity should be maintained.

Devotees: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: And laughing means taking things trifling. That is not allowed. This is the etiquette. That is what we are teaching. You are simple, but this is the etiquette. Understand me right or not?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. We understand very well. We apologize for that we were taking too lightly. [pause]

Prabhupāda: So, whatever Nava-yogendra has presented, let it be sold and utilized...

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: For Mombasa. Okay.

Prabhupāda: Mmm. Sometimes presentations are sold at higher price by bid. Yes. That is the way.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: By bid.

Baradrāj: [aside:] Amongst the devotees? [indistinct whispered discussion about how to do this]

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: The most valuable thing, you gave to Gurukṛpā Mahārāja—conchshell. But he did not pay anything for it.

Prabhupāda: That's all right. He'll worship. Jaya Nitāi-Gaura.

śrī-kṛṣṅa-caitanya prabhu nityānanda śrī-advaita gadādhara śrīvāsādi-gaura-bhakta-vṛnda

hare kṛṣṅa hare kṛṣṅa kṛṣṅa kṛṣṅa hare hare hare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare

rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhan nānāvatāram akarod bhuvaneṣu kintu kṛṣṅaḥ svayaṁ samabhavat paramaḥ pumān yo govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi [Bs 5.39]

[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who manifested Himself personally as Kṛṣṅa and the different avatāras in the world in the forms of Rāma, Nṛsiṁha, Vāmana, etc., as His subjective portions.]

premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti yaṁ śyāmasundaram acintya-guṅa-svarūpaṁ govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi [Bs 5.38]

[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is Śyāmasundara, Kṛṣṅa Himself with inconceivable innumerable attributes, whom the pure devotees see in their heart of hearts with the eye of devotion tinged with the salve of love.]

These mantra should always be chanted. That will do great benefit to me. Hmm?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yes, Prabhupāda. Should we chant them now?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Okay.

Baradrāj: Those two, or all the Brahma-saṁhitā?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: All the Brahma-saṁhitā? Or those two in particular?

Prabhupāda:

śrī-kṛṣṅa-caitanya prabhu nityānanda śrī-advaita gadādhara śrīvāsādi-gaura-bhakta-vṛnda

hare kṛṣṅa hare kṛṣṅa kṛṣṅa kṛṣṅa hare hare hare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare

This is from Caitanya-caritāmṛta. Then Brahma-saṁhitā:

rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhan nānāvatāram akarod bhuvaneṣu kintu kṛṣṅaḥ svayaṁ samabhavat paramaḥ pumān yo govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi [Bs 5.39]

[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who manifested Himself personally as Kṛṣṅa and the different avatāras in the world in the forms of Rāma, Nṛsiṁha, Vāmana, etc., as His subjective portions.]

Then again from Brahma-saṁhitā, premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu [Bs 5.38]. These mantras should be recited so that I can hear, you can hear, occasionally. And kīrtana must go on. And physically, massage. Sometimes that Brahmi oil massage on the head.

[break] Tran..., whatever I have done in this state, is it going right?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Jayādvaita?

Jayādvaita: Everything that you've translated is edited so far, except for the last two sittings. It's coming out very nicely. Now by your instruction to concentrate on Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura's commentary, I think it will become even more clear, because Pradyumna will be able to give the English more easily.

Prabhupāda: So do it.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: You want to do some just now?

Prabhupāda: Yes, one or two lines. Let us...

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Okay. Yadubara wanted to film you translating. Is that all right? You don't mind. Okay. We can have a little light here while he films for about a half a minute? It wouldn't disturb you.

Prabhupāda: Yadubara is good devotee.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yadubara is a good devotee. Very dedicated devotee. You remember he cooked bati-chachari very nice also for you. He was cooking for you in Rishikesh, massaging. Very intelligent.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: His wife is also intelligent, Viśākhā.

Prabhupāda: Yadubara has become first devotee.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Has become what, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Devotee: First devotee.

Prabhupāda: First devotee before his wife.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: First devotee before his wife, yes. You convinced him. He did not come here thinking to become a devotee. Remember, he came for photography work.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: But his good fortune was that he chose to photograph you, Śrīla Prabhupāda, and the devotees. So he became very attracted. [background whispering]

Prabhupāda: Hmm? What is that?

Hari-śauri: Just going to get him.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: We're just getting Pradyumna.

Prabhupāda: Yadubara has freedom.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: What, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Yadubara has freedom to do anything.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yadubara? Has freedom to do anything.

Prabhupāda: Ha.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: [chuckles] I think that will make his service very enhanced to know that. [break]

Jayādvaita: This is the best association, to be associated with you while you're serving Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.

Brahmānanda: You always wanted this, Prabhupāda, to have your editors with you in the same place where you are doing your books.

Prabhupāda: Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura therefore said, miche māyār bośe, jāccho bhese. The whole world is being washed away by the waves of material nature. Māyār vāsana. Vairāja.[?] When we understand that everything is being washed away... That is viśva-rūpa. Kṛṣṅa went... From mouth everything is coming out. If you want to stop it, then this is the chance, human life. Hmm. This is viśva-rūpa. [break] ...the same field. [break] [kīrtana]

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: What, Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Chant loudly. [kīrtana gets louder] [break]

Bhavānanda: Very early this morning. [break] Tamāla and all of us have met and thought that "Let us..." Our position is to serve you according to your desire. Since you didn't request any medicines, we felt that we shouldn't try to...

Prabhupāda: No.

Bhavānanda: From what we've seen, today you've rested very much deep sleep, and the vomitous nausea has disappeared. But you haven't passed very much urine today. One reason is that you were taking that mild dialysis medicine. For the past three days you've been taking medicine to help you pass urine. So usually when you stop taking that medicine, it takes a day or two for the urine function to start naturally again.

Prabhupāda: No medicine.

Bhavānanda: Sorry, Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: No medicine. What is that medicine?

Bhavānanda: I'm sorry?

Prabhupāda: What is that medicine?

Bhavānanda: There's so many medicines, but today you haven't taken any. There is medicine for the infection in the kidney. There's medicine for the heart. There's medicine for passing urine. There's medicine for preventing any cough in the lung. There's vitamin supplement.

Prabhupāda: So how many I shall take?

Bhavānanda: That's five different medicines. We felt yesterday that your... When the doctor came, you told us that to take so many medicines is disgusting, and that it bothers your brain. And I know that I personally felt that my position is simply to follow your instruction and command as my very life and soul, not to try and force my idea or my feeling onto Your Divine Grace. So we all of us felt that you had given us so many hints.

Prabhupāda: So medicine, kīrtana.

Bhavānanda: Medicine is kīrtana. Enechi auṣadhi māyā. [kīrtana] [break]

Prabhupāda: The sleeping medicine he has given?

Bhavānanda: No, Śrīla Prabhupāda. There's no sleeping medicine.

Devotee: No medicine at all.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: See, Prabhupāda, today you haven't taken any medicine. So Bhavānanda Mahārāja is simply..., was asking whether if you want any medicine.

Prabhupāda: What for?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: So that's why we didn't give you any. It was our opinion that you probably didn't want any. Just like this morning you asked me for miśri-jala at five, six o'clock when I was on duty. So normally they give you a pill also for helping to pass urine. So my reasoning was that, well, you didn't ask me for the pill, you simply asked me for miśri-jala, so I just gave you miśri-jala. Formerly, even if you didn't ask, we were encouraging you, "Please take medicine, please take medicine, please take medicine." So today we decided that whatever you ask, that we will do. So therefore, as you did not ask for medicine, we didn't give any medicine. This is not done on any doctor's instruction, that we're giving or not giving, but simply we felt whatever you ask us to do, you have perfect knowledge and perfect understanding, and everything we've ever done in this movement is on your direction, so you direct what you want to be done. If you want the doctor to come, then the doctor will come. If you want to take his medicine, then you can take. And we can give our opinion, but it's not our duty to... It's not good for us to over..., to too much push something upon Your Divine Grace. If you want to have the kavirāja, then we can call the kavirāja. Whatever Your Divine Grace considers to be the best course of action, that should be taken up. At least that was our understanding.

Bhavānanda: Under your direction, Śrīla Prabhupāda, you have single-handedly spread Kṛṣṅa consciousness over the entire world. And our position has always been to try and follow your instruction to the letter as our life and soul.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: You're not unconscious, so the question does not arise that we have to decide on our own what to do. You're perfectly conscious. So we should simply take your direction. I think we can wait until tomorrow and see what the results of not taking any medicine are. If you want to, you could do that. [break]

Bhavānanda: Our Bengali devotees, they brought you big basket of ḍāb. Can they have some kīrtana? [break]

Dr. Gopal[?]: [Bengali with Prabhupāda] [end]