Room Conversation

[Hindi]

Prabhupāda: Jaya.

Shri Narayan[?]: [Hindi] ...improvement?

Prabhupāda: [Hindi with Shri Narayan, talking of Delhi to Māyāpur, risk] What happened to the car?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Er, do you know the history?

Bhakti-caru: Yes. First thing they had a flat tire. Then they ran out of gas, and then there was no petrol station. Then they lost the track. They went to some...

Prabhupāda: So he missed the plane.

Shri Narayan: Missed the place. Coming from Delhi?

Bhakti-caru: Yes. They were supposed to come here at two o'clock.

Prabhupāda: I have got my car, but they arranged for a Mercedes car.

Shri Narayan: Mercedes car, bigger car, yes. Oh, I see. So that means God didn't want you to leave. [Hindi, talking of Gītā culture]

Prabhupāda: This is Indian culture.

Shri Narayan: Indian culture, Gītā culture. [Hindi, saying they are the same]

Prabhupāda: Yes. Yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati [Bg 4.7]. [Hindi] Whenever there are discrepancies in the human society—tadātmānaṁ sṛjāmy aham—at that time He appears. Paritrāṅāya sādhūnāṁ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām [Bg 4.8].

[In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I advent Myself millennium after millennium.]

This is the program. And when He comes, the time is fixed. So unless one thoroughly studies, they cannot accept. Actually, Kṛṣṅa... Imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ proktavān aham avyayam [Bg 4.1].

[The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikṣvāku.]

This system, Bhagavad-gītā, it is yoga, bhakti-yoga. Bhakti-yoga is the topmost.

yoginām api sarveṣāṁ mad-gatenāntar-ātmanā śraddhāvān bhajate yo māṁ sa me yuktatamo mataḥ [Bg 6.47]

[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]

There are many yogas. The aim is how to come to the topmost yoga. That is bhakti-yoga. And Kṛṣṅa says to Arjuna, bhakto 'si me. What is that verse? Eh? Evaṁ purātanaḥ yogaḥ.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Bhakto 'si me sakhā ceti [Bg 4.3].

[That very ancient science of the relationship with the Supreme is today told by Me to you because you are My devotee as well as My friend; therefore you can understand the transcendental mystery of this science.]

Prabhupāda: Ah. Rahasyaṁ hy etad uttamam. "Because you are My bhakta and friend, therefore I am speaking to you the old system," purātanaḥ. No new system. The people now introduce new system.

Shri Narayan: Sanātana-jñāna he. Sanātana-jñāna he. Paramparā se.

Prabhupāda: Paramparā... [Hindi] ...purātanaḥ yogaḥ. They introduce their own interpretation. No [Hindi]. There is nothing required. What is that? Sa te 'haṁ yogaḥ proktaḥ purātanaḥ. Purātanam. Find out.

Shri Narayan: [Hindi telling about the two films shown]

Prabhupāda: People of the world, they're hankering after this civilization. Unfortunately, we are miser. We are not giving them...

Shri Narayan: All that they should get.

Prabhupāda: This is not good.

Shri Narayan: [Hindi]

Prabhupāda: Where is that Bhagavad-gītā?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Here, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Can you give me the verse?

Prabhupāda: Yogaḥ proktaḥ purātanaḥ. Find out the...

Shri Narayan: The... Here it says sixteenth [Hindi].

Prabhupāda: Fourth, fourth. Fourth Chapter.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Yes, I have the Fourth Chapter. I'm already in the Fourth Chapter.

Prabhupāda: Read from the very beginning, Fourth Chapter.

Ramkrishna Bajaj[?]: [Hindi]

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: I have the verse, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

sa evāyaṁ mayā te 'dya yogaḥ proktaḥ purātanaḥ bhakto 'si me sakhā ceti rahasyaṁ hy etad uttamam [Bg 4.3]

[That very ancient science of the relationship with the Supreme is today told by Me to you because you are My devotee as well as My friend; therefore you can understand the transcendental mystery of this science.]

Fourth Chapter, third verse.

Prabhupāda: [Hindi] So yogo naṣṭaḥ parantapa. Eh? Then?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Next verse?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: Aparaṁ bhavato janma param... [Bg 4.4]

Prabhupāda: No. Sa kālena yogo naṣṭaḥ parantapa. Read it, paramparā.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa:

evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ sa kāleneha mahatā yogo naṣṭaḥ parantapa [Bg 4.2]

[This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession, and the saintly kings understood it in that way. But in course of time the succession was broken, and therefore the science as it is appears to be lost.]

Prabhupāda: Ah. Purātana, the old system... [Hindi] Yogo naṣṭaḥ purā..., sa kāleneha naṣṭaḥ. [Hindi]

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: You have a very nice purport here, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Hmm. Read it?

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: It says here, "It is clearly stated that the Gītā was especially meant for the saintly kings because they were to execute its purpose in ruling over the citizens. Certainly Bhagavad-gītā was never meant for the demoniac persons, who would dissipate its value for no one's benefit and would devise all types of interpretations according to personal whims. As soon as the original purpose was scattered by the motives of the unscrupulous commentators, there arose the need to reestablish the disciplic succession. Five thousand years ago it was detected by the Lord Himself that the disciplic succession was broken, and therefore He declared that the purpose of the Gītā appeared to be lost. In the same way, at the present moment also there are so many editions of the Gītā, but almost all of them are not according to the authorized disciplic succession. There are innumerable interpretations rendered by different mundane scholars, but almost all of them do not accept the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṅa, although they make a good business on the words of Śrī Kṛṣṅa. This spirit is demonic because demons do not believe in God but simply enjoy the property of the Supreme. Since there is a great need of an edition of the Gītā in English as it is received by the paramparā disciplic succession system, an attempt is made herewith to fulfill this great want. Bhagavad-gītā, accepted as it is, is a great boon to humanity. But if it is accepted as a treatise of philosophical speculations, it is simply a waste of time."

Shri Narayan: [Hindi] [laughing]

Prabhupāda: [Hindi with guests] And it is natural.

Shri Narayan: Natural, and it is really marvelous how it has happened. [Hindi]

Prabhupāda: They were also hankering. And as soon as they got it, they got life.

Shri Narayan: Yes, they got light. [Hindi between guests and Śrīla Prabhupāda, about willpower and ISKCON]

Prabhupāda: Ācchā. [aside:] You can go. They will talk with me something.

Tamāla Kṛṣṅa: You want us to go outside, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Shri Narayan: [Hindi]

Ramkrishna Bajaj: [Hindi with Prabhupāda and Shri Narayan—"Hindustan philosophy"; Prabhupāda explaining about Caitanya Mahāprabhu's philosophy] [to someone entering:] Excuse me. We are just talking alone with him. [break] [end]